A call to Geoffrey Thomas/Aviation journalists
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quote "I don't seek or care about public sympathy for my "plight". I merely think it important that propspective airline pilots enter the industry fully informed about what they may be confronted with financially."
If a person planning to enter an industry and has not covered all aspects of the profession then he should not complain about the conditions or go and do somthing else.
Why is it we try to put ourselves up on the old pedestal with other considered high professions, ie doctors etc. We are all but humans, doing a job, nothing special, other people in the community do jobs as well. aviation is just one of them.
The reason for these Illusions I understand go back to WW1 where nco pilots were given Officer status along with all the mess trimmings in payment for their life expectancy being about 1-2 weeks
I think you will find that the godly arrogant respect that we were given and not earned will continue to diminish over time.
To quote the Castle " get yer hand off it "
quote "I don't seek or care about public sympathy for my "plight". I merely think it important that propspective airline pilots enter the industry fully informed about what they may be confronted with financially."
If a person planning to enter an industry and has not covered all aspects of the profession then he should not complain about the conditions or go and do somthing else.
Why is it we try to put ourselves up on the old pedestal with other considered high professions, ie doctors etc. We are all but humans, doing a job, nothing special, other people in the community do jobs as well. aviation is just one of them.
The reason for these Illusions I understand go back to WW1 where nco pilots were given Officer status along with all the mess trimmings in payment for their life expectancy being about 1-2 weeks
I think you will find that the godly arrogant respect that we were given and not earned will continue to diminish over time.
To quote the Castle " get yer hand off it "
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AnQrKa you missread my post, i said a driver, with his OWN truck. a 600hp rig capable of pulling a B2 will see you with little change from $500,000
the $80K job i have seen, moving Mining equip from Port Botany. its not common, but not uncommon either, on average, every tonne of capacity you can put on the road will earn you $1k per week.
i am coming from the point of OWNER/ driver. the owner of the vehicles gets the contracts, and then has to pay his employees otherwise known as drivers.
i OWN 3, 2 tonne vans. i have 6 tonnes capacity on the road every week. and thats about my weekly cheque. then i have to pay 2 other drivers etc.
the Point of my Post is that the trucking game is a very close nit group, who stick together to ensure each others financial and job security. weather you drive a 1 tonne Ute, of a 200 Tonne Road train! and that bad drivers/operators are quickly weeded out, and the good survive and prosper, but still do all they can to help others in the industry, there is no, "bugger the rest of you, im allright thanks jack" attitude.
and when things get tight, as the latest accusations of drivers using substances, the onus is not on the drivers/owners , but on the SUPPLIER of the cartage contracts...
now if only all pilots, from all levels can look look after each other and each others interests, regardless of rating or aircraft flown, then the pilots as a group will be a lot better off, and the companies providing you with employment will be forced to act justly and with reasonable conditions that reflect your importance in maintaining safety, and contribution to the company..
the $80K job i have seen, moving Mining equip from Port Botany. its not common, but not uncommon either, on average, every tonne of capacity you can put on the road will earn you $1k per week.
i am coming from the point of OWNER/ driver. the owner of the vehicles gets the contracts, and then has to pay his employees otherwise known as drivers.
i OWN 3, 2 tonne vans. i have 6 tonnes capacity on the road every week. and thats about my weekly cheque. then i have to pay 2 other drivers etc.
the Point of my Post is that the trucking game is a very close nit group, who stick together to ensure each others financial and job security. weather you drive a 1 tonne Ute, of a 200 Tonne Road train! and that bad drivers/operators are quickly weeded out, and the good survive and prosper, but still do all they can to help others in the industry, there is no, "bugger the rest of you, im allright thanks jack" attitude.
and when things get tight, as the latest accusations of drivers using substances, the onus is not on the drivers/owners , but on the SUPPLIER of the cartage contracts...
now if only all pilots, from all levels can look look after each other and each others interests, regardless of rating or aircraft flown, then the pilots as a group will be a lot better off, and the companies providing you with employment will be forced to act justly and with reasonable conditions that reflect your importance in maintaining safety, and contribution to the company..
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Ultralights, you raise an important issue regarding self regulation, and it, in turn raises a question about our own regulation.
Due to the fact that we are not able to self-regulate, it is necessary for us to face sky rocketing insurance premiums to make up for the Seaview Airs out there. Just as American operators have been asked to curtail pay for training programs by their insurance companies.
Once you see an aircraft like a EMB-145 snapped in two after a "training" flight, it will make you a believer that we are incapable of drawing a line on these things.
One thing that Australian Authorities used to be good at was learning from the mistakes of the Americas. Now it seems they are only good at repeating them, as is the case with standards on theory examination and flight crew testing through the bogus ATO system.
Due to the fact that we are not able to self-regulate, it is necessary for us to face sky rocketing insurance premiums to make up for the Seaview Airs out there. Just as American operators have been asked to curtail pay for training programs by their insurance companies.
Once you see an aircraft like a EMB-145 snapped in two after a "training" flight, it will make you a believer that we are incapable of drawing a line on these things.
One thing that Australian Authorities used to be good at was learning from the mistakes of the Americas. Now it seems they are only good at repeating them, as is the case with standards on theory examination and flight crew testing through the bogus ATO system.
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nicholas_hosties:
Ok you say we are just doing another job. Fair enough!
So please provide a listing of other job's/industries where after qualification ie MD, LLB(BA law) 4 year apprentice chippy etc, the employee is required to pay for ratings or to purchase training on the equipment required for the 'average job'?
Doctors do not pay to practise their profession. Lawyers do not pay to practise their profession. Chippies, sparkies bus drivers, labourers, teachers, nurses, politicians, cab drivers, ships captains etc do NOT pay to practise their profession
Fair is fair tiger?
Ok you say we are just doing another job. Fair enough!
So please provide a listing of other job's/industries where after qualification ie MD, LLB(BA law) 4 year apprentice chippy etc, the employee is required to pay for ratings or to purchase training on the equipment required for the 'average job'?
Doctors do not pay to practise their profession. Lawyers do not pay to practise their profession. Chippies, sparkies bus drivers, labourers, teachers, nurses, politicians, cab drivers, ships captains etc do NOT pay to practise their profession
Fair is fair tiger?
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Call me biased, but anyone looking to join the military for the purpose of getting an endorsement on 737/A330 is going in with the wrong attitude. Particularly since your choice of aircraft type (post-Wings) is not really in your hands.
Be a shame to spend all that time dreaming about your airline salary prospects to find yourself posted to King Airs (no offence to the 32SQN folks)
FH
Call me biased, but anyone looking to join the military for the purpose of getting an endorsement on 737/A330 is going in with the wrong attitude. Particularly since your choice of aircraft type (post-Wings) is not really in your hands.
Be a shame to spend all that time dreaming about your airline salary prospects to find yourself posted to King Airs (no offence to the 32SQN folks)
FH
