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Lets get real here guys.......these ot bans have to date just played into (qf) hands and must be saving them millions.
I only hope that now its official we all get busy at home and refuse to come in. OT bans alone are not enough, We also need to take MELB's example and stop overlooking minor things....put it in the book. This will backlog the Maint system and put far more pressure on mgmt than ot bans alone.
Lets see a couple left in the hangar every day for a while...see what that does for the bottom line. WORK TO RULE
Give back a little of the pain they have dished out to us in the past 3 or4 EBA's.
I only hope that now its official we all get busy at home and refuse to come in. OT bans alone are not enough, We also need to take MELB's example and stop overlooking minor things....put it in the book. This will backlog the Maint system and put far more pressure on mgmt than ot bans alone.
Lets see a couple left in the hangar every day for a while...see what that does for the bottom line. WORK TO RULE
Give back a little of the pain they have dished out to us in the past 3 or4 EBA's.
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there is no way QF will be ble to maintain schedules on day one let alone on an ongoing basis.
This is not playing into their hands as they simply won't be able to consistently keep to their schedules and LAMES are obviously going to be less inclined to "go the extra mile" to get the plane out on time.
Now that this "war" has officially started lets make sure its for something worthwhile- after all there is supposed to be a labour shortage
This is not playing into their hands as they simply won't be able to consistently keep to their schedules and LAMES are obviously going to be less inclined to "go the extra mile" to get the plane out on time.
Now that this "war" has officially started lets make sure its for something worthwhile- after all there is supposed to be a labour shortage
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'Now that this "war" has officially started lets make sure its for something worthwhile- after all there is supposed to be a labour shortage'
Well lets make it worthwhile, all MA holders refuse to utilise your MA priviliges (we do not get paid for them anyway). In fact I would like to see our ALAEA executive make this official. QANTAS are giving us 0% and yet we continue to give them something for gratis'.
'Now that this "war" has officially started lets make sure its for something worthwhile- after all there is supposed to be a labour shortage'
Well lets make it worthwhile, all MA holders refuse to utilise your MA priviliges (we do not get paid for them anyway). In fact I would like to see our ALAEA executive make this official. QANTAS are giving us 0% and yet we continue to give them something for gratis'.
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AN LAME i bloody well missed the key when i typed morale anyway if we are to go forward with this dispute now we need the ALAEA to come into work to give the boys and girls some direction as to what is expected because the lame's are very green when it comes to this sort of thing,they are already talking about doing their .3 o/t for handovers in heavy so as not to slow the d check we are near completing.it's time the exec showed it's self at work.
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Sorry about the little dig about the 'e'.
As I have said, one of the biggest problems the Asn has is communicating with the members and I agree whole heartedly that they should be out guiding the members on the floor.
Sadly, I've heard tonight that the SP faction is moving through MEL trying to drum up another petition to stop the O/T ban in the same manner as the one which prevented industrial action in support of the preflight inspections. In both instances I can only ask - WHY?
Sorry about the little dig about the 'e'.
As I have said, one of the biggest problems the Asn has is communicating with the members and I agree whole heartedly that they should be out guiding the members on the floor.
Sadly, I've heard tonight that the SP faction is moving through MEL trying to drum up another petition to stop the O/T ban in the same manner as the one which prevented industrial action in support of the preflight inspections. In both instances I can only ask - WHY?
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WHY....
I dont know about you, but if 'your' union was about to expose you to possible financial ruin, would you want to have a say in the matter?
You are blatantly NOT a QF LAME. If you actually listened to the guys on the floor you'd know exactly what the sentiment is.
O/T bans have been in place for approximately 3 months now. Aircraft are being grounded and delayed, hurting QF reliability and customers....and there's not a thing QF can do about it.
You make it official, and if one person refuses to do O/T, ANYBODY can be stood down without pay indefinately.
'Whats the next step then' I hear you say. Scale up the unofficail bans. Its not hard to coordinate, and its not hard for union officals to distance themselves from.
I dont know about you, but if 'your' union was about to expose you to possible financial ruin, would you want to have a say in the matter?
You are blatantly NOT a QF LAME. If you actually listened to the guys on the floor you'd know exactly what the sentiment is.
O/T bans have been in place for approximately 3 months now. Aircraft are being grounded and delayed, hurting QF reliability and customers....and there's not a thing QF can do about it.
You make it official, and if one person refuses to do O/T, ANYBODY can be stood down without pay indefinately.
'Whats the next step then' I hear you say. Scale up the unofficail bans. Its not hard to coordinate, and its not hard for union officals to distance themselves from.
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You are without a doubt one of the most paranoid idiots I hope never to come across. I don't 'come across' guys on the floor, because I am simply one of them who happens to disagree with your delusional view of the world. At least you have now identified yourself as one of those responsible for the petitions - and a Melbourne nuffie. You are undoubtedly a narrow minded, simplistic, ignorant fool.
And the next step you ask? It's the one to oblivion to which you and your ilk are consigning us all.
Idiot.
You are without a doubt one of the most paranoid idiots I hope never to come across. I don't 'come across' guys on the floor, because I am simply one of them who happens to disagree with your delusional view of the world. At least you have now identified yourself as one of those responsible for the petitions - and a Melbourne nuffie. You are undoubtedly a narrow minded, simplistic, ignorant fool.
And the next step you ask? It's the one to oblivion to which you and your ilk are consigning us all.
Idiot.
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well..............
First of all, Stop refering to the ALAEA as a union. It is NOT. Its an association.
The majority of QF employees would not work in an iron lung. The amount of so called work you do for the exorbanent amount of money you earn is absoluletly outrageous.
One hour for smoko, Long down times between aircraft arrivals, going home early on night shift, etc etc.
If I was paying the bills you would all recieve a 20% pay cut instead of whinging about a 3% pay rise.
Think about how much you earn and how much work you actually do. On the other side of the fence you would have to work alot harder for the same money. If you still feel the need to whinge about how badly you are treated then i suggest you pull your head out of the sand and think how lucky you really are.
On a lighter side, I have heard of SDT and SIT refered to as Hollywood because of all the actors. Sounds to me more like a circus because of all the clowns.
First of all, Stop refering to the ALAEA as a union. It is NOT. Its an association.
The majority of QF employees would not work in an iron lung. The amount of so called work you do for the exorbanent amount of money you earn is absoluletly outrageous.
One hour for smoko, Long down times between aircraft arrivals, going home early on night shift, etc etc.
If I was paying the bills you would all recieve a 20% pay cut instead of whinging about a 3% pay rise.
Think about how much you earn and how much work you actually do. On the other side of the fence you would have to work alot harder for the same money. If you still feel the need to whinge about how badly you are treated then i suggest you pull your head out of the sand and think how lucky you really are.
On a lighter side, I have heard of SDT and SIT refered to as Hollywood because of all the actors. Sounds to me more like a circus because of all the clowns.
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Paranoid you say!? Is it a possibility ie do the laws of Australia allow it....absolutely. Is it realistic?...more realistic with the 'professional' negotiators we're using at the moment than 3%+ pay rise. Stick to the facts - IT IS A POSSIBILTY!
If you worked 'on the floor' you would come across their opinions quite frequently. Funnily enough the current industrial situation and lack of meaningful progress is quite a hot topic.
When did I say I was involved in the action being carried out in Melbourne. I merely said I understood where they were coming from. You asked 'Why?'....dont shoot the messenger!
Try keeping the conversation away from personal attacks. If you do that, you really have very little to say!
company_spy....very humorous. Look forward to your further postings.
If you worked 'on the floor' you would come across their opinions quite frequently. Funnily enough the current industrial situation and lack of meaningful progress is quite a hot topic.
When did I say I was involved in the action being carried out in Melbourne. I merely said I understood where they were coming from. You asked 'Why?'....dont shoot the messenger!
Try keeping the conversation away from personal attacks. If you do that, you really have very little to say!
company_spy....very humorous. Look forward to your further postings.
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SOBB some ports have have unofficial OT bans on for some time however Sydney Base Maint has never had one. A large percentage of work on 747/767 fleet is done by them and the official OT ban will dramatically effect work output from them. This will reverberate out through the network quite quickly.
Unofficial bans may have had some impact but the only way the association can be truly effective is if we act as one with "official action"
Pungent- MA holders have always done it for "the glory" of it all anyway. There never has been a payment for it and never will. You'll probably find that most MA holders are quite hapy doing it for nothing as it gives them trips away and "bragging rights" Let them have it I say. I have other things on in my life that stops me dropping everything and flying to some sh#thole to do a walkaround.
Sys 4- I agree that heavy maint senior LAMES should not do the .3 hr OT. But really what difference will it make!!
Thanks for the input Company Spy-you sound like one of my supervisors-probably MR Qantas reborn. We should be able to pick you out at work as you'll be the one doing OT.
Unofficial bans may have had some impact but the only way the association can be truly effective is if we act as one with "official action"
Pungent- MA holders have always done it for "the glory" of it all anyway. There never has been a payment for it and never will. You'll probably find that most MA holders are quite hapy doing it for nothing as it gives them trips away and "bragging rights" Let them have it I say. I have other things on in my life that stops me dropping everything and flying to some sh#thole to do a walkaround.
Sys 4- I agree that heavy maint senior LAMES should not do the .3 hr OT. But really what difference will it make!!
Thanks for the input Company Spy-you sound like one of my supervisors-probably MR Qantas reborn. We should be able to pick you out at work as you'll be the one doing OT.
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numskull the .3 o/t will have a large effect,if the senior lame needs to do his handover at the begining of the shift the rest of the crew are standing around waiting for the jobs instead of getting bang on the begining of shft =8 crews 10 men per crew 1/2 hr per crew member =40HRS per shift =80 hrs per day of work not being done.it all adds up quickly, and besides an o/t ban must be for everyone if we are to stand united.WE CANNOT HAVE EXCEPTIONS.
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I dont need to be reborn and agree with the spy.
As for handover time I rekon we cant refuse the .3 hour o/t and if you read your alaea Q/A sheet it explains it all. We are responsable enough to realize that we must do a hand over so the safety of the airline is protected.
Dont be stupid about your bans just listen to the assosiation.
As for handover time I rekon we cant refuse the .3 hour o/t and if you read your alaea Q/A sheet it explains it all. We are responsable enough to realize that we must do a hand over so the safety of the airline is protected.
Dont be stupid about your bans just listen to the assosiation.
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I've read the Notice and its ALL ports, ALL O/T except customer aircraft and aircraft retrievals. It's cut and dried. No hyandover O/T. Take your own advice and follow the leagl direction of the Asn. Ifnot and you breach ranks I hope the Asn takes action against you.
I've read the Notice and its ALL ports, ALL O/T except customer aircraft and aircraft retrievals. It's cut and dried. No hyandover O/T. Take your own advice and follow the leagl direction of the Asn. Ifnot and you breach ranks I hope the Asn takes action against you.
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AN lame, I ask myself why have you come back out of the woodwork to endorse this OT ban when for many years you and your cronnies have been saying that--- " it is not possible , because we would just wind up in court."
Me thinks that is where you want this to be played out and hence the formalising of the ban. The Ban was working quite well with out you interferring and it was having a significant effect without those from Syd. supporting it.
I applaud the Melb. contingent for being proactive in their actions, The petition that stopped you having the Industrial action in support of the pre-flights saved us from an ruling from the commissioner that would have lost the fight for ever, at least we survive to continue the fight well past the deadline that qantas wanted.
I would recommend that any engineers wishing to stop being sold out again by our ASN leaders contact Melb. Eng's and find out who is actually canvasing for this so called petition and offer their support. You suggest that it is SP but I think you are again paranoid and seeing shadows at your back. Whoever it is has my support.
Me thinks that is where you want this to be played out and hence the formalising of the ban. The Ban was working quite well with out you interferring and it was having a significant effect without those from Syd. supporting it.
I applaud the Melb. contingent for being proactive in their actions, The petition that stopped you having the Industrial action in support of the pre-flights saved us from an ruling from the commissioner that would have lost the fight for ever, at least we survive to continue the fight well past the deadline that qantas wanted.
I would recommend that any engineers wishing to stop being sold out again by our ASN leaders contact Melb. Eng's and find out who is actually canvasing for this so called petition and offer their support. You suggest that it is SP but I think you are again paranoid and seeing shadows at your back. Whoever it is has my support.
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Sadly your paranoid distrust of the asn has caused you and the others who signed the petition to prevent the last remaining legal ability to take industrial action to retain the preflight as it would appear that the operators have conned CASA at this stage. And come July, little Johnny and the Senate are going to put the last nail in the coffin. That is the legacy of you and your cronies - fools one and all.
Sadly your paranoid distrust of the asn has caused you and the others who signed the petition to prevent the last remaining legal ability to take industrial action to retain the preflight as it would appear that the operators have conned CASA at this stage. And come July, little Johnny and the Senate are going to put the last nail in the coffin. That is the legacy of you and your cronies - fools one and all.
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Mr Qantas what planet are you from,how will not doing a handover jeopardize aircraft safety,this forum is for aircraft professionals i'm sure there is other forums out there for you
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LAME Morale.
Company_Spy, Company _Stooge more likely. It's obvious which side of the fence you come from. No doubt the rarified air from the upper floors has affected your thoughts or perhaps you're just affected by the virus sweeping management. The results leaving you deaf and shortsighted to the calls of reform from your workers. It is good to see the union showing some backbone in our negotiations but perhaps they haven't gone far enough to show you how resiliant we are.
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Can i ask a simple question.
We all know Lames can earn more in the odd part of the world ,but how does Qantas compare on the local scene.
We all want an extra buck,thats human,but in my past experiences those pushing for strikes ,O/T bans etc are quite happy working for minumum hours,and the only ones suffering are those who want to work for a bit extra.
Ive seen companies stop O/t offered for different reasons ,and boy ,does that get people upset.
The side of things that worry me is "why do companies look at out sourcing things overseas".
Thats not to hard to work out ,but we still cant sit down and be taken for a ride----the typical catch 22 position
We all know Lames can earn more in the odd part of the world ,but how does Qantas compare on the local scene.
We all want an extra buck,thats human,but in my past experiences those pushing for strikes ,O/T bans etc are quite happy working for minumum hours,and the only ones suffering are those who want to work for a bit extra.
Ive seen companies stop O/t offered for different reasons ,and boy ,does that get people upset.
The side of things that worry me is "why do companies look at out sourcing things overseas".
Thats not to hard to work out ,but we still cant sit down and be taken for a ride----the typical catch 22 position