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From: Oz
I know it is fashionable to bag AOPA and I agree that some of their activities of the recent past have been well, ill advised and somewhat ridiculous.
That said, re-read what Bertram actually said in the release.
"Ron Bertram today said that AOPA understood the sentiment behind the call"
and later
"but we do understand why GA pilots would want to join such a protest after seeing airspace hijacked by a handful of union airline pilots a greedy air traffic controllers”
Nowhere does he encourage involvement or participation in the "event'
I too can understand the sentiment, but I do recognise it to be misplaced and operationally stupid. The wording is very cleverly put, possibly as a result of a legal input.
I'm not defending AOPA's "understanding" but I don't see much value in attacking what some 'think' (or wished) was said.
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That said, re-read what Bertram actually said in the release.
"Ron Bertram today said that AOPA understood the sentiment behind the call"
and later
"but we do understand why GA pilots would want to join such a protest after seeing airspace hijacked by a handful of union airline pilots a greedy air traffic controllers”
Nowhere does he encourage involvement or participation in the "event'
I too can understand the sentiment, but I do recognise it to be misplaced and operationally stupid. The wording is very cleverly put, possibly as a result of a legal input.
I'm not defending AOPA's "understanding" but I don't see much value in attacking what some 'think' (or wished) was said.
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From: Oz
Hey ultralights;
You posted a warm and fuzzy "why don't we all try to get along" post recently, and then you go off half cocked with shafting AOPA. reading too much Gaunty I suspect.
I suppose you can now tell us all there are more AUF members than AOPA and AFAP combined so you own the sky?
Read what the man said, and stop listening to the rabid ravings of the loony left who are a bit miffed right now, or are you another disenfranchised Labor man who is looking at anything to blame?
You posted a warm and fuzzy "why don't we all try to get along" post recently, and then you go off half cocked with shafting AOPA. reading too much Gaunty I suspect.
I suppose you can now tell us all there are more AUF members than AOPA and AFAP combined so you own the sky?
Read what the man said, and stop listening to the rabid ravings of the loony left who are a bit miffed right now, or are you another disenfranchised Labor man who is looking at anything to blame?
Don Quixote Impersonator
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From: Australia
ding bit precious mate
ahhhh..... AND
is not emotive ? I seem to recall a certain "expert" there always insisting on reliable data and research, I guess therefore, they can supply it to back up their intemperate statement.
Nah I didn't think so.
I would have thought a credible statment might have been couched more along the lines of "condemning".
But we all know it was the Smith apologists who actually wrote it and does not necessarily represent the view of the members.
Indeed why make any comment on the bindook.com issue at all.
ahhhh..... AND
after seeing airspace hijacked by a handful of union airline pilots a greedy air traffic controllers”
Nah I didn't think so.
I would have thought a credible statment might have been couched more along the lines of "condemning".
But we all know it was the Smith apologists who actually wrote it and does not necessarily represent the view of the members.
Indeed why make any comment on the bindook.com issue at all.
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From: Springfield
Now it's apparent bindook.com has withdrawn the stupid threat (presume as reaction to "legal advice") will AOPA withdraw its support in another media release?
AOPA members: you belong to a foolish irresponsible organisation.
AOPA members: you belong to a foolish irresponsible organisation.
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From: Oz
Sorry if I seem 'precious' (one day I'll explain why me being called that by you is actually funny)
I read the Bertram blurb as not being a statement of position or policy, it really says nothing at all except what we've all read in todays papers anyway.
More Association funds wasted
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I read the Bertram blurb as not being a statement of position or policy, it really says nothing at all except what we've all read in todays papers anyway.
More Association funds wasted
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From: Sydney NSW Australia
Hey ultralights;
You posted a warm and fuzzy "why don't we all try to get along" post recently, and then you go off half cocked with shafting AOPA. reading too much Gaunty I suspect.
I suppose you can now tell us all there are more AUF members than AOPA and AFAP combined so you own the sky?
Read what the man said, and stop listening to the rabid ravings of the loony left who are a bit miffed right now, or are you another disenfranchised Labor man who is looking at anything to blame?
You posted a warm and fuzzy "why don't we all try to get along" post recently, and then you go off half cocked with shafting AOPA. reading too much Gaunty I suspect.
I suppose you can now tell us all there are more AUF members than AOPA and AFAP combined so you own the sky?
Read what the man said, and stop listening to the rabid ravings of the loony left who are a bit miffed right now, or are you another disenfranchised Labor man who is looking at anything to blame?
and no, being a business owner, i am Liberal. and even if i was looking for someone to blame, it still wouldnt help with the solving of issues, whats done is done, and cant be changed, all we can do is change now, and the future.
from my viewpoint, all this heated discussion isnt really helping anyone or anything. and all of aviations organisations would do much better with a united front.
Im sure 99% of aviators out there, including the ones in their 40Kt Drifters will think that a day of No radio and No transponder Is just outright Stupid. and will achieve nothing.
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From: On the Beach
How do you reconcile Greedy Air Traffic Controller with the fact that the DickTator Monkey has decreed 'There shalt be a !!!!load more of them' - and GA will pay for it?
Or are AOPA being 'told' what to say. Again.
Tricked and used again. There is no fool like an old fool.
Or are AOPA being 'told' what to say. Again.
Tricked and used again. There is no fool like an old fool.
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From: Above the Trenches
Easy way to deal with these morons gentlemen. Pick up the phone and ring your nearest esteemed Aussie media piranha. A nice by-line line like "Loony Kamikaze Private Pilots Threaten Thousands of Air Travellers!! " will help these fools get the message across.
That ought to do the trick, back to the banana lounge...
That ought to do the trick, back to the banana lounge...
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From: Melbourne, Vic
Hey, Ultralights, I thought you were me for a moment when you introduced yourself on the other thread!
Last time I flew a Drifter it had neither radio nor transponder.
I don't have a problem with people flying no radio-no transponder, so long as they do it where they should and not where they shouldn't.
And that's the crux of the problem with Dickspace.
Philthy
Last time I flew a Drifter it had neither radio nor transponder.
I don't have a problem with people flying no radio-no transponder, so long as they do it where they should and not where they shouldn't.
And that's the crux of the problem with Dickspace.
Philthy
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From: earth
sold a dud
I read the press release and then rang the numbers.
They don't support it, they just understand it. As usual the Gaunt inspired bitter and twisted crew are misrepresenting the facts, yawn!!!
GA was sold NAS in the terms of 'free in E' and AOPA suported transponders in E (NOT the US model) on the basis that GA would have E over D.
Now we are back to C over D I myself can understand why people would be calling for no TXPs in E. We have been sold a dud.
I think the bindook thing was a fair call (just like ATCs or pilots going on strike!!!) I just think it was badly explained and should read
No radios
No TXPs
Fly Direct in E
Stay out of C and D
PD
They don't support it, they just understand it. As usual the Gaunt inspired bitter and twisted crew are misrepresenting the facts, yawn!!!
GA was sold NAS in the terms of 'free in E' and AOPA suported transponders in E (NOT the US model) on the basis that GA would have E over D.
Now we are back to C over D I myself can understand why people would be calling for no TXPs in E. We have been sold a dud.
I think the bindook thing was a fair call (just like ATCs or pilots going on strike!!!) I just think it was badly explained and should read
No radios
No TXPs
Fly Direct in E
Stay out of C and D
PD
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From: On the Beach
ATC's and pilots going on strike?
Where did you cook up that one?
Don't you realise that this government doesn't permit strikes over issues of professional concern anyway?
PoisonDwarf:
If AOPA dispatch a press release based on the whole stupid idea dont tell me they don't support it. That is semantics. It might fool some - it won't fool the readers here. Lets face it - AOPA are so irrelevant and ignored, they will latch on to a loony fringe anonymous website who promotes irresponsible action and subsequently retracts it. AOPA hug on to that type of behaviour to get noticed! - And STILL they get ignored by the mainstream media.
Where did you cook up that one?
Don't you realise that this government doesn't permit strikes over issues of professional concern anyway?
PoisonDwarf:
If AOPA dispatch a press release based on the whole stupid idea dont tell me they don't support it. That is semantics. It might fool some - it won't fool the readers here. Lets face it - AOPA are so irrelevant and ignored, they will latch on to a loony fringe anonymous website who promotes irresponsible action and subsequently retracts it. AOPA hug on to that type of behaviour to get noticed! - And STILL they get ignored by the mainstream media.
Last edited by Shitsu-Tonka; 5th September 2004 at 04:10.
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From: On the Beach
Bindook.com is continuing the same standard of accuracy, truth and relevance it set all those months ago with it's founding.
If the mission of bindook.com is to become an important influence in aviation affairs, prove it's credibility and promote it's following to garner support for it's viewpoint on air safety, and all this is to be based on it's current formula, I can only offer the following advice: Don't change a thing!
If the mission of bindook.com is to become an important influence in aviation affairs, prove it's credibility and promote it's following to garner support for it's viewpoint on air safety, and all this is to be based on it's current formula, I can only offer the following advice: Don't change a thing!
Last edited by Shitsu-Tonka; 4th September 2004 at 12:21.
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From: Oz
I only just had a chance to check the AOPA email.
While it says "we understand the sentiment" it doesn't say "we understand the sentiment but do not condone actions which are against the regulations". Which frankly, it should.
While it says "we understand the sentiment" it doesn't say "we understand the sentiment but do not condone actions which are against the regulations". Which frankly, it should.
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From: Sydney Australia
KLN94
Answers are always out there
http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=bindook.com
I wonder if Dick Smith is actually behind Bindook.com...?
http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=bindook.com
