Regulator fails Jetstar crew on safety
commander,
The sad and worrying thing is that Chuck=Yoric, and I think he IS in QF and believes the drivel he comes out with...
The sad and worrying thing is that Chuck=Yoric, and I think he IS in QF and believes the drivel he comes out with...
Nunc est bibendum
What I find paticularly interesting about watching these petty exchanges is that for the most part, some of the regular QF blokes (myself, Lancer, Johnny Utah, Cutest of Borg, etc) will at some stage tell the perpertrator that he or she is behaving like a moron and to grow up. Whichi is what I would normally post now to Yorik.
What is galling though is that Whiz, adama and a few others sink to the same low level and I'm yet to see any of the J* or IPG pilots pick them up on it!
Wiz, most QF drivers have acknowledged QF1 and made internal steps to work our guts out to ensure that it doesn't happen again. Perhaps it's time for you to let it go too. Only the 'idiots' keep bagging out J* and your responses such as 'fore' etc, put you in EXACTLY the same boat and you come across exactly the same way. Yorik is behaving like an idiot. Your and adama's responses are equally inane. Don't point the finger without taking a good hard look in the mirror.
Finally, you and adama ARE being hypocritical. You keep sinking the boot into QF drivers with references to doors and golf courses and yet I don't recall either of you posting your name on Qrewroom. You can't nail me with that one either. I'm well and truly out of the closet on that with a lot of people actually calling me 'Keg' on Qrewroom. Do a search for it if you have the access. I've got no secrets and I'm also a firm believe of not saying anything on here that I wouldn't say to someone's face. Alas, it looks like some of you don't follow suit.
As an aside, how easy would it be to go tit for tat as to each others recent incidents. You mention QF 1, I mention landing on a highway, you mention doors, I mention doors, you mention something else, I mention retracting flaps after t/o, you mention same thing, blah, blah, blah. It's crap and you guys contribute to it and I'm appalled that more of your own don't 'call' you on it. QF have some idiots, I don't ever remember you guys admitting the same thing about J*. Again, that long hard look in the mirror because it appears you guys have the superiority complex you generalise with an accuse ALL QF drivers of having.
Shame to see people who consider themselves professionals behaving as children.
What is galling though is that Whiz, adama and a few others sink to the same low level and I'm yet to see any of the J* or IPG pilots pick them up on it!
Wiz, most QF drivers have acknowledged QF1 and made internal steps to work our guts out to ensure that it doesn't happen again. Perhaps it's time for you to let it go too. Only the 'idiots' keep bagging out J* and your responses such as 'fore' etc, put you in EXACTLY the same boat and you come across exactly the same way. Yorik is behaving like an idiot. Your and adama's responses are equally inane. Don't point the finger without taking a good hard look in the mirror.
Finally, you and adama ARE being hypocritical. You keep sinking the boot into QF drivers with references to doors and golf courses and yet I don't recall either of you posting your name on Qrewroom. You can't nail me with that one either. I'm well and truly out of the closet on that with a lot of people actually calling me 'Keg' on Qrewroom. Do a search for it if you have the access. I've got no secrets and I'm also a firm believe of not saying anything on here that I wouldn't say to someone's face. Alas, it looks like some of you don't follow suit.
As an aside, how easy would it be to go tit for tat as to each others recent incidents. You mention QF 1, I mention landing on a highway, you mention doors, I mention doors, you mention something else, I mention retracting flaps after t/o, you mention same thing, blah, blah, blah. It's crap and you guys contribute to it and I'm appalled that more of your own don't 'call' you on it. QF have some idiots, I don't ever remember you guys admitting the same thing about J*. Again, that long hard look in the mirror because it appears you guys have the superiority complex you generalise with an accuse ALL QF drivers of having.
Shame to see people who consider themselves professionals behaving as children.
Hi Keg,
Point, to some extent, taken. I have never had issue with your attitude, and know the likes of Yorik are nothing but an embarrasment to you.
You seem to be suggesting, however, that the likes of dear Yorik should simply go unchallenged and be ignored. I don't agree. It is possible we are sometimes being sucked in by a troll, but, as I said, I actually think Chuck/Yorik IS a serving line QF guy spouting carp about J* as he sees himself as a superior being having gotten into QF, and any one who hasn't as "Unsafe". YOU know that's c*** I know that's c*** and I don't think it is inappropriate to point out to idiots like this that even QF guys are mortal and capable of error.
As to Qroom, I thought it was only available to QF drivers? I fly for a well known LCC in Britain!
In any case, my identity is quite widely known here, though I have no idea who you are. Does anonimity make my points any less valid?
As for "Letting QF1 go", isn't the whole point to keep it firmly in mind and make sure that the kinds of attitudes that led to it (and, in my opinion are being shown by the likes of Yorik) are challenged at every opertunity?
Point, to some extent, taken. I have never had issue with your attitude, and know the likes of Yorik are nothing but an embarrasment to you.
You seem to be suggesting, however, that the likes of dear Yorik should simply go unchallenged and be ignored. I don't agree. It is possible we are sometimes being sucked in by a troll, but, as I said, I actually think Chuck/Yorik IS a serving line QF guy spouting carp about J* as he sees himself as a superior being having gotten into QF, and any one who hasn't as "Unsafe". YOU know that's c*** I know that's c*** and I don't think it is inappropriate to point out to idiots like this that even QF guys are mortal and capable of error.
As to Qroom, I thought it was only available to QF drivers? I fly for a well known LCC in Britain!
In any case, my identity is quite widely known here, though I have no idea who you are. Does anonimity make my points any less valid?
As for "Letting QF1 go", isn't the whole point to keep it firmly in mind and make sure that the kinds of attitudes that led to it (and, in my opinion are being shown by the likes of Yorik) are challenged at every opertunity?
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Well, I'm having fun! How 'bout you blokes?
Claret's hit the nail on the head here. This is the problem. The company clearly has this in mind. QF domestic will be gone soon enough. Replaced by Jetstar. Pay and conditions reduced to rubble. And the Jetstar pilots are running around like company lap dogs encouraging the process. Safety is out the door.
The other problem is that guys like Keg, (no disrespect meant here Keg) will appease the Jetstar guys because it's poltically correct. Sorry Keg, politically correct is fine, but at some stage you gotta have your say. And this is mine.
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The other problem is that guys like Keg, (no disrespect meant here Keg) will appease the Jetstar guys because it's poltically correct. Sorry Keg, politically correct is fine, but at some stage you gotta have your say. And this is mine.
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Not having a dig at QF pilots? Try this on for size. Not only a hypocrit but a liar too!
And thats just from this thread! You are telling ALL QF pilots their system is flawed, and therefore they are too! Try doing a search of all of your posts. You are by far the most abusive, abrasive and obnoxious person to post on Pprune.
classic testament of a flawed system
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And that is an atatck on the pilots???
You are kidding me. Coming from you.
That is your deduction not mine.
Look at life. Every system has a flaw. Just look at yourself. Where in hell did you come from? You are the product of an upbringing gone totally wrong.
You are by far the most abusive, abrasive and obnoxious person to post on Pprune.
You are telling ALL QF pilots their system is flawed, and therefore they are too!
Look at life. Every system has a flaw. Just look at yourself. Where in hell did you come from? You are the product of an upbringing gone totally wrong.
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Yorik, your on a no win battle mate, probably should just let assdama and his bunch of merry men find out the hard way. The transition from 717 to A320 will not be as easy as those pecker heads think.
Keg, I see where your coming from, but at the end of the day, management does not give a rats.Yeah, they know who you are, most of us do, so what. Had a 767 captain in the jumpseat yesterday, by and large the guys have alot of misgivings about our ex Impulse monkeys.
It's not whether someone runs an aeroplane off a runway, retracts flap, nearly lands on a highway etc, its whether the systemic problems that caused that to happen and the culture which operates there can be changed as a result.
Have to say it, and I know it's going to come across wrong to the likes of commander assdama et al, but QF introduced the Boeing 737-800 and recently the A330 with minimal problems, this I believe is testament to QF, I don't see QF as a flawed system.
Keg, I see where your coming from, but at the end of the day, management does not give a rats.Yeah, they know who you are, most of us do, so what. Had a 767 captain in the jumpseat yesterday, by and large the guys have alot of misgivings about our ex Impulse monkeys.
It's not whether someone runs an aeroplane off a runway, retracts flap, nearly lands on a highway etc, its whether the systemic problems that caused that to happen and the culture which operates there can be changed as a result.
Have to say it, and I know it's going to come across wrong to the likes of commander assdama et al, but QF introduced the Boeing 737-800 and recently the A330 with minimal problems, this I believe is testament to QF, I don't see QF as a flawed system.
Pete Conrad:
Why would the transition from a 717 to an A320 be a difficult transition? Both are glass, fadec, fms machines. It would be easier than from a Fokker 50 to an A320 like we used to do?
No "8 year boy" old answers please!
Why would the transition from a 717 to an A320 be a difficult transition? Both are glass, fadec, fms machines. It would be easier than from a Fokker 50 to an A320 like we used to do?
No "8 year boy" old answers please!
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Ahh, here we go, assdama and his PPL fantasies, and of course watchdog, the only man on Pprune that has nothing better to do than sit back and wait to target people that get under his old wrinkly skin.
Watchdog, are you that individual that left Impulse to go to AN, then somehow ended up back at Impulse? If you are, then that really does explain alot.
Oh and assdama, your spelling is attrocious man. I think your little bum hole is chapped coz you didn't get into QF isn't it? You fail the verbal reasoning section did you?
Watchdog, are you that individual that left Impulse to go to AN, then somehow ended up back at Impulse? If you are, then that really does explain alot.
Oh and assdama, your spelling is attrocious man. I think your little bum hole is chapped coz you didn't get into QF isn't it? You fail the verbal reasoning section did you?
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It seems par for this course to be perfectly honest. Same tiring people continually attack the minute someone has a thought different to what they are brainwashed into thinking. There is a BIG chip on a lot of posters shoulders here - the continual ATTACK ATTACK, your'e wrong, ATTACK mode.
Let's put this plainly. I'll call a scab a scab - always will. No amount of censuring from a moderator, or banning me will change that. I'll call an Opportunist an Opportunist. I'll say that standards here have dropped significantly, and that is known around the world.
Yet, there will be the vocal minority that will get offended, whinge and moan, and then whoop it up like little children when the person who had the brains and guts to think for himself, outside the box, get's banned. The Usual Suspects here that whinge and bitch until the poster is banned are JUST as offensive, just as obnoxious, yet it seems they stay in the sand pit, like spoilt children. "This is our sand box, complete with all the cat crap, so piss off". Well, have it your way, but be willing to accept a DIFFERING OPINION!
You all berate others as children - I think it high time a LOT of you looked in the mirror, got the shock you deserve, and learn some decency!
Moderator, ban me, delete me, whatever. At this stage, I just couldn't give a flying fig. If this is what professional pilots have resorted to in Australia, all I can say is the twats can have it!
Like I said, par for the course, and what we have come to expect from a lot of them...
Let's put this plainly. I'll call a scab a scab - always will. No amount of censuring from a moderator, or banning me will change that. I'll call an Opportunist an Opportunist. I'll say that standards here have dropped significantly, and that is known around the world.
Yet, there will be the vocal minority that will get offended, whinge and moan, and then whoop it up like little children when the person who had the brains and guts to think for himself, outside the box, get's banned. The Usual Suspects here that whinge and bitch until the poster is banned are JUST as offensive, just as obnoxious, yet it seems they stay in the sand pit, like spoilt children. "This is our sand box, complete with all the cat crap, so piss off". Well, have it your way, but be willing to accept a DIFFERING OPINION!
You all berate others as children - I think it high time a LOT of you looked in the mirror, got the shock you deserve, and learn some decency!
Moderator, ban me, delete me, whatever. At this stage, I just couldn't give a flying fig. If this is what professional pilots have resorted to in Australia, all I can say is the twats can have it!
Like I said, par for the course, and what we have come to expect from a lot of them...
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I will not say that they all will fail the transition, but most people I know who have gone Boeing/MD to Airbus, have found the course difficult. The main reason seems to be that the way of "thinking" in Airbus with regards systems and procedures etc, is a lot different from Boeing/MD. (No slanging off of which is better).
I dare say that a lot of the Jet* boys will find the same.
I will not say that they all will fail the transition, but most people I know who have gone Boeing/MD to Airbus, have found the course difficult. The main reason seems to be that the way of "thinking" in Airbus with regards systems and procedures etc, is a lot different from Boeing/MD. (No slanging off of which is better).
I dare say that a lot of the Jet* boys will find the same.
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What the hell are you going on about?? Dont know anyone who has had problems with this "transition." YOU are the only one who seems to consider it difficult. Maybe the fact that you look at the A320 as an extreme array of complex wizardry, says something about you.....you know, like you are incompetent yourself!! Like you find flying aeroplanes difficult!! Like you are NOT a pilot!!!
BTW do you have any idea of the technology up the front of the little 717?? Why dont you ask a JQ pilot to to enlighten you to the realm of REAL modern aircraft........you would obviously be amazed how far aviation has come in recent years.
The transition from 717 to A320 will not be as easy as those pecker heads think.
BTW do you have any idea of the technology up the front of the little 717?? Why dont you ask a JQ pilot to to enlighten you to the realm of REAL modern aircraft........you would obviously be amazed how far aviation has come in recent years.
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You have hit the nail on his stupid head. He is not a profesional pilot. He has no idea.
He is a dreamer. He makes up this dribble. Pete. Go get some PPL lessons. You are not qualified to comment on flying a jet.
You have hit the nail on his stupid head. He is not a profesional pilot. He has no idea.
Had a 767 captain in the jumpseat yesterday, by and large the guys have alot of misgivings about our ex Impulse monkeys.
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Given that this thread has degenerated into nothing more than a squabble, I might as well continue it!
Adama, why is it that anyone who disagrees with you, or has the tumerity to harbour a different opinion, is automatically 'not a pilot', or at least not one who fly's the big jets, like you?
Your arrogance is astounding, almost as astounding as your ignorance.
Believe me, adama, Pete fly's a bigger jet than you and his pay cheque is certainly much bigger. And same with most on these forum's. So please cease the crap about whether someone couldn't be a pilot simply because their opinion is different to yours.
I guess you are right, Pete. They won't learn. They won't admit to contributing to the ruination of domestic flying in Oz. But it gets it off my chest.
Adama, why is it that anyone who disagrees with you, or has the tumerity to harbour a different opinion, is automatically 'not a pilot', or at least not one who fly's the big jets, like you?
Your arrogance is astounding, almost as astounding as your ignorance.
Believe me, adama, Pete fly's a bigger jet than you and his pay cheque is certainly much bigger. And same with most on these forum's. So please cease the crap about whether someone couldn't be a pilot simply because their opinion is different to yours.
I guess you are right, Pete. They won't learn. They won't admit to contributing to the ruination of domestic flying in Oz. But it gets it off my chest.
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Yorik
Your intellect and integrity are displayed in your user name. You and ya silly little mates do not contribute facts but attack the professional ability of a group of pilots who do a fantastic job of operating an airline. To even comprehend that you and your little mates pilot a jet would be like letting a couple of children run a lolly shop. You would make a mess of it.
So do yourself a favour go and reading Handling the Big Jets, get a Jet Job then come back and then maybe just maybe you could contribute instead of ill informed vitriol.
Your intellect and integrity are displayed in your user name. You and ya silly little mates do not contribute facts but attack the professional ability of a group of pilots who do a fantastic job of operating an airline. To even comprehend that you and your little mates pilot a jet would be like letting a couple of children run a lolly shop. You would make a mess of it.
So do yourself a favour go and reading Handling the Big Jets, get a Jet Job then come back and then maybe just maybe you could contribute instead of ill informed vitriol.
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It's better to let them believe what they want to believe. For a group of individuals that went from sleeping in 717's on Hobart overnights to where they are now, it's no wonder that they have attitude problems.
assdama, ol buddy ol pal, I progressed past PPL many moons ago little man, you however haven't progressed past watching Battlestar Galactaga.
It's a bit like the QF mainline guy walking up to the QFlink building at Mascot copping the "usual" diatribe you get off these morons about the QF culture being too much for them to handle, it's a bit rich coming from a group of pecker heads that come from an airline that didn't have a seniority system, you got promoted on the 1900 depending on how far, in assdama's case anyway, his tongue was up the bottom of the senior guys.
There is nothing too technically challenging about the A320 that I was aware of, I can refer to the Airbus FCTM and operating manuals vol 1 and 2 that I have here if you need clarification LGR and assdama.
assdama - retard, retard, retard.
assdama, ol buddy ol pal, I progressed past PPL many moons ago little man, you however haven't progressed past watching Battlestar Galactaga.
It's a bit like the QF mainline guy walking up to the QFlink building at Mascot copping the "usual" diatribe you get off these morons about the QF culture being too much for them to handle, it's a bit rich coming from a group of pecker heads that come from an airline that didn't have a seniority system, you got promoted on the 1900 depending on how far, in assdama's case anyway, his tongue was up the bottom of the senior guys.
There is nothing too technically challenging about the A320 that I was aware of, I can refer to the Airbus FCTM and operating manuals vol 1 and 2 that I have here if you need clarification LGR and assdama.
assdama - retard, retard, retard.
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You can't read, can you adama? Go find someone who can explain my above post to you, then try to post an intelligent reply.
Fantastic job? Must display incredible dedication, because you certainly don't do it for the pay.
Better tell QF that children are in their lolly shop, eh? In fact the chief pilot's office is located on QCC3. Want his telephone number?
Now adama. A straight question to you. Have YOU been rejected under the QF recruiting process. YES or NO?
Fantastic job? Must display incredible dedication, because you certainly don't do it for the pay.
Better tell QF that children are in their lolly shop, eh? In fact the chief pilot's office is located on QCC3. Want his telephone number?
Now adama. A straight question to you. Have YOU been rejected under the QF recruiting process. YES or NO?