Regulator fails Jetstar crew on safety

[Yorik Hunt]

Well, thats not a very nice post carpe. BTW, isn't that a fish?

I don't recall suggesting that Impulse pilots intentionally operate their aircraft less safely than Qantas simply because they are paid less. In fact, if you go back and read my original post you will see exactly the opposite is true. There is nothing INTENTIONAL about it.

I have simply stated that they operate less safely because many of these pilots (not all!) have been rejected, for one reason or another. That doesn't mean that they dont try their best. It just means that their best isn't good enough.

Now you can run down the QF selection process all you like, but if just one of these chaps was turned down for a valid reason, and is now operating with Jetstar, then that makes the Jetstar operation less safe. There can be NO argument about that.

And the fact that the guys are acceptable only on a lower pay scale really stinks to high heaven. Or QCC perhaps.

[compressor stall]

QF must have changed its selection then Yorik. Last I heard it was 45 mins in a sim with one person, a bit of IQ stuff to see if you are a stable extrovert and a face to face chat with the odd tech qu thrown in.

Not a single opportunity to show how to perform under pressure of emergency, how to interact with other crew, how much you study and can recall relevant stuff, etc.

You cannot deduce that a person who misses out on QF is a less safe flying pilot as no QF pilot is assessed on safe flying ability.

Get over it.

BTW. There are many pilots out there who missed out on Cathay and are now in QF. So by your reasoning that makes QF less safe than Cathay?

[Yorik Hunt]

YOU need to read what I said over again CS. QF may not get it right ALL the time. BUT if they got it right just once, JUST ONCE, then that person now flying for Jetstar makes that operation less safe, and is an accident waiting to happen. And I happen to know a couple of the guys flying for Jetstar. Good blokes, but one of 'em is simply dangerous in an aeroplane. Frightens the crap out of me, knowing what could happen.

But what do I know, right? I'm a product of the QF system. According to most on here, that makes me a freak, a product of a flawed recruiting system who's arrogance means that we should really place our aerobridges on golf courses, because 99.9% of the time, thats where we park 'em. Spare me.

And further, I'm not allowed to say anything. Because if I stated this on qrewroom, I'd face vilification from anyone in management, because it highlights their incompetence, I'd face vilification from AIPA, because it highlights their incompetence, and I could kiss my otherwise satisfactory career goodbye. Problem is, I say my piece here and the lunatic fringe tell me that because I'm QF, I'm not worthy (somehow?).

So go ahead and ban me Woomera. Can't have people stating the truth here, can we?

[commander adama]

Yorik Hunt

You are a classic testament of a flawed system. You are an example of one who slipped through the net. I know your character and personality. Private School education (no offence to others I have it as well). Cadetship at a young age. Lived a sheltered life with no hard worn trail. Things came easy to you. So much so you developed your arrogance and you have deduced that you are somehow special to have had such an easy road.

You would not have the balls because you know you would be vilified and quite rightly so if you posted on Qrewroom. Do yourself and your collegues a favour and stop posting this garbage. I know a quite fair few ex Impulse drivers in your company who are average or the norm. Not outstanding but the norm and all are good blokes. You on the other hand, well I do not like your character and I am happy to know I do not even work with people that are like you.

And further, I'm not allowed to say anything. Because if I stated this on qrewroom, I'd face vilification from anyone in management, because it highlights their incompetence, I'd face vilification from AIPA, because it highlights their incompetence, and I could kiss my otherwise satisfactory career goodbye.

Well it isn't just management. Strange you admit everyone else is wrong but you are right.


Grow up and think before you post.

[Wizofoz]

QF may not get it right ALL the time. BUT if they got it right just once, JUST ONCE, then that person now flying for Jetstar makes that operation less safe,

And therefore if they got it wrong JUST ONCE, QF is therefore less safe, right?

(Actually, that explains a few things!! FORE!!)

[Yorik Hunt]

There's a perfect example of the lunatic fringe telling me how substandard I am - I must BE, because I would dare to critisise their organisation. Yet - here are those who would not have their own organisation logically critisised, doing their own critisising right back again. Hypocracy in the extreme.

adama. You are wrong there on every count of my background and heritage. You are correct though, I wouldn't have the balls to tell everyone on Qrewroom, because I wouldn't put my family through the sh1t that accompanies it. Thats logical and fair, right? So, if you think that, then you give us your name here, or even on Qrewroom if you think that is reasonable. No? Haven't got the balls, right? That makes it much worse that you would say such things of me, when you clearly haven't the character either.

Wiz? Your logic defeats comprehension, however because Jetstar is unfortunately part of the QF group, then Yes, QF is less safe. But I wouldn't have a problem with putting my family on QF mainline. Jetstar - NO WAY! And we are back to the golf course analogy? No wonder it is very hard to respect you lot.

[HANOI]

And Yorik

Your user name is offensive , how long did it take you to think that one up.
BTW...a spell checker might help you

[Yorik Hunt]

Thank you Hanoi. My brother Rex thanks you too. Blame my parents.

[FPV]

Yorik,
There is a common trend here. May I suggest you pull your head in a grow up.

But what do I know, right? I'm a product of the QF system. According to most on here, that makes me a freak

No no little Yorik, that doesn’t make you a freak. But the rest of your bleating does.

[Watchdog]

'Your a'
I see you've created your new alias - now all of 8 posts. Which one of the banned ones are you?
Whoever you are, you are a whimp. You preach from a position of anonymity here but not game to repeat same when you are identified on qrewroom.
If "your family" (not that I think you'd have any offspring) are anything like you, I'm sure J* wouldn't want put up with them anyway

[Angle of Attack]

Geez, come on don't waste your time being baited by this Yorker, he could be a QF guy he could not be, either way he just feeds on your bites. By the way he sounds I doubt he is in any airline, just wasting his time here, remember "As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent."

Anyway it was about a jetstar flight , any info on that?

[Flyspray]

Like I said before. All back stabbing and dribble.
Is there any one out there that can state,or rumour if you like, as to what occured to cause this embarassing failure.

[Yorik Hunt]

Actually, I couldn't give a rats about bites from clear lunatics. I am interested in making a point.

And that point is this - Jetstar (read IPG) is an organisation which has a clear intent of undermining pay and conditions in Australian aviation. But the side effect is that the airline is dangerous.

Watchdog, OK then my friend. You first. Who are you then? Or are you a 'whimp'?

[Watchdog]

Yorik, I know you cant respond anymore on pprune, but if you'd like to start a post on Qrewroom mainline titled YORIK...I will respond to you!

Flyspray,
quite right, this post is off at a tangent.

I think that what Simon Westaway has stated is fair in that J* shouldn't be commenting about what occurred between the licence holder (ie pilot) and the regulator. I find it a little inappropriate that CASA public relations even issues media statements on this....for example if Chief Flying Instructor Joe Bloggs busts an MDA on his CASA I/R renewal does this go to CASA media for publication? No! It could even be differing viewpoints or even a personality conflict between the officer and the candidate rather than a performance standard.
Different story if an operator, say, doesn't carry out service bulletins eg. B767 engine pylon crack inspections etc

[Time Bomb Ted]

Watchdog

You said "I find it a little inappropriate that CASA public relations even issues media statements on this."

Maybe CASA was getting in first before the J* spin doctors changed the story from J* ops not being up to snuff, to a delay by CASA.

I know which one looks worse for J*.

TBT

[Flyspray]

Alas poor Yorik etc.
Page one nearly gets it right re A. S. so I hear!! But now I also hear one and the same has gone to pick up the next delivery??
Am I right or am I right?
What was the problem??

[Taya]

I have it from good authority that it wasn't A.S. He passed his check yesterday with CASA.

[Obie]

Now, you blokes are flying airplanes, right?

But you can't spell wimp, right?

God help us all!

[radnav]

It is a matter of record that there are pilots working for QANTAS now who have in the past been found unacceptable by QANTAS.

These same pilots, who qualified for their long service leave not so long ago, have managed to do the job just fine as well as getting paid very handsomely.

Are their some who are really suggesting that it would now be dangerous to board a QF 737 just because the pilot was at one time rejected by QANTAS.

Utter rubbish!!

[Capt Claret]

Yorik,

With luck you'll be first out the door when the IPG guys take all the mainline jobs.