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I think you have just made the point for yourself, WD. That is that Jetscab doesnt fly to LAX. The ports they do fly into CAN manage a 15 min cutoff if required. If we can do it at QF with a 737, then why not with a 717 or 320?
Why do I call them Jetscab? You havent read any of my previous posts, or those of Pete or Proplever or fartsock? They are referred to as such because they are undermining the remainder of the industry. They have offered to carry out the same job as their compatriots for half of the pay. Their pay is abominable. So are they.
Adama? Werent you recently having a go at someone for their spelling. Hypocrite!
Why do I call them Jetscab? You havent read any of my previous posts, or those of Pete or Proplever or fartsock? They are referred to as such because they are undermining the remainder of the industry. They have offered to carry out the same job as their compatriots for half of the pay. Their pay is abominable. So are they.
Adama? Werent you recently having a go at someone for their spelling. Hypocrite!
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On another but similar thread I mentioned an upcoming trip on Jet*, well safely back I have a couple of points.
Arrived at my departure airport with oodles of time to check in IAW Jet*s advice, 0330 wake up call yuk. Got sequence 1 and thought this will be the closest I will ever get to the front. Departure time was 0600 at 0555 still not boarding mmmmm. PA announced those with 1 thru 50 line up good grief, might as well wipe my butt with my sequence no 1 boarding pass, you would have thought it was recess at a school tuck shop the way the gate was stampeeded, not for me sorry too Joe cool for that.
Airborne 22mins 30 secs late after a very rushed and unproffesional safety brief. It gets better the Capt comes on the PA and starts making excuses. The usual host of technical snags etc were rolled out but the best was an explanation of how poor weather (rain I guess) can effect their very tight 25mins turnaround procedure. I found this statement somewhat amusing given that the acft had been prepositioned the night before and was on the tarmac. No turnaround was required and all pax were ready and raring to go.
The way I see it if we have to be on time so does the airline if it is not good enough for pax to be late for any reason then the same must surely apply to the airline.
Check in on return was problematic as the desk doesn't open till 2 hrs before departure so if you are early to bad. Connecting from regional areas makes this a pain as bus/train timetables suit a 30 min check in rather than 1 hr plus so you find yourself arriving much earlier than required and sitting around with baggage and kids and no ammenities. Too bad I hear you say well figure this if it is the leisure market they are catering to I see no leisure in the above.
All in all the few dollars I saved flying jet* and not VB was not worth it. Both however are substantially cheaper than QF on the same route so when next I fly it will be in the big red plane.
Arrived at my departure airport with oodles of time to check in IAW Jet*s advice, 0330 wake up call yuk. Got sequence 1 and thought this will be the closest I will ever get to the front. Departure time was 0600 at 0555 still not boarding mmmmm. PA announced those with 1 thru 50 line up good grief, might as well wipe my butt with my sequence no 1 boarding pass, you would have thought it was recess at a school tuck shop the way the gate was stampeeded, not for me sorry too Joe cool for that.
Airborne 22mins 30 secs late after a very rushed and unproffesional safety brief. It gets better the Capt comes on the PA and starts making excuses. The usual host of technical snags etc were rolled out but the best was an explanation of how poor weather (rain I guess) can effect their very tight 25mins turnaround procedure. I found this statement somewhat amusing given that the acft had been prepositioned the night before and was on the tarmac. No turnaround was required and all pax were ready and raring to go.
The way I see it if we have to be on time so does the airline if it is not good enough for pax to be late for any reason then the same must surely apply to the airline.
Check in on return was problematic as the desk doesn't open till 2 hrs before departure so if you are early to bad. Connecting from regional areas makes this a pain as bus/train timetables suit a 30 min check in rather than 1 hr plus so you find yourself arriving much earlier than required and sitting around with baggage and kids and no ammenities. Too bad I hear you say well figure this if it is the leisure market they are catering to I see no leisure in the above.
All in all the few dollars I saved flying jet* and not VB was not worth it. Both however are substantially cheaper than QF on the same route so when next I fly it will be in the big red plane.
Heavy rain will hold up loading the bags. No cargo containers means bags in the open, means wet bags. Also the baggage luvvies get wet. I have often been held up at the gate by thunderstorms in the vicinity of the airport as OH & S guidelines mean that the baggage luvvies have to scurry away to play cards just in case the lightning strikes the metal plate in their head. Lets just ignore the height of the tailplane, apron lights, terminal building, control tower etc. Sure there is a very slight chance of them being struck, so off they scurry.
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sorry typo. While you are at it ask your captain or even yourself what the term scab means you ********.
200psi
When you can say something intelligent maybe you will get an answer. By the way isn't this a profesional pilot network? 200 psi I suggest you go to the airlines bulletin board and have your bitch there.
sorry typo. While you are at it ask your captain or even yourself what the term scab means you ********.
The way I see it if we have to be on time so does the airline if it is not good enough for pax to be late for any reason then the same must surely apply to the airline.
When you can say something intelligent maybe you will get an answer. By the way isn't this a profesional pilot network? 200 psi I suggest you go to the airlines bulletin board and have your bitch there.
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Why do I call them Jetscab? You havent read any of my previous posts, or those of Pete or Proplever or fartsock? They are referred to as such because they are undermining the remainder of the industry.
As I understand it, Australian Airlines pilots retained the same salary & benefits as QF mainline pilots.
Comparing them with Jet* terms & conditions is a bit of a stretch by any means of the imagination...
Comparing them with Jet* terms & conditions is a bit of a stretch by any means of the imagination...
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TSI? Not even close, mate. AA pilots are earning about the same as their QF 767 bretheren. Jetstar arent even in the same league.
They are simply rejects like adama who attempt to justify their own existence by putting everyone else down. And undercutting them. And crapping in all of our nests. Hang your heads in shame, Jetscab.
They are simply rejects like adama who attempt to justify their own existence by putting everyone else down. And undercutting them. And crapping in all of our nests. Hang your heads in shame, Jetscab.
Magutsup,
You don't seem to have much idea then. Scabs are actually current employees who return to work in strike action.
I took a look at the QF pilots eba (on line).
Are you saying in your above quotation that they are doing the job for $68,000? (being 50%)?
Methinks you are just plucking numbers out of the sky...just like a politician
Are you guys not all in the same union? If not then it's up to the individual union/business/individual to set prices. Eg. Aviall undercuts Hawkers regularily and vice-versa.
This is normal business practice. Businesses only drop the prices to make the sale/get the work.
They are referred to as such because they are undermining the remainder of the industry. They have offered to carry out the same job as their compatriots for half of the pay.
I took a look at the QF pilots eba (on line).
Are you saying in your above quotation that they are doing the job for $68,000? (being 50%)?
Methinks you are just plucking numbers out of the sky...just like a politician
Are you guys not all in the same union? If not then it's up to the individual union/business/individual to set prices. Eg. Aviall undercuts Hawkers regularily and vice-versa.
This is normal business practice. Businesses only drop the prices to make the sale/get the work.
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Don't bother you can not reason with an imbecile. I do not believe Chuck is part of the Qantas Group or even works as a professional pilot.
Hey Noddy! here's a definition of the term scab. Using the term Jetscab really does set your intellect and real age.
click here
A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
A person hired to replace a striking worker.
Don't bother you can not reason with an imbecile. I do not believe Chuck is part of the Qantas Group or even works as a professional pilot.
Hey Noddy! here's a definition of the term scab. Using the term Jetscab really does set your intellect and real age.
click here
A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
A person hired to replace a striking worker.
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Well said Commanda. Since Chuck arrived on this forum we have had nothing but childish attempts to draw people into never ending arguments. To me chuck, you seem to be a pimply adolescent, sitting in a darkened room somewhere, just making it up as you go.
To be honest I think you would be amazed to find that professional pilots really couldnt give a rats.
Get mum to sew another patch on your nylon bomber jacket tiger. That will give you some of the " respek " that you obviously crave.
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To be honest I think you would be amazed to find that professional pilots really couldnt give a rats.
Get mum to sew another patch on your nylon bomber jacket tiger. That will give you some of the " respek " that you obviously crave.
DM
Nunc est bibendum
Whilst we all throw sticks and stones at each other, we miss out on one fundamental issue.
That is, a united approach between both AIPA and the IPG when Jet* was first mooted could have seen a mutually beneficial outcome. That both organisations lacked visionaries to make this happen at the time is regrettable.
Secondly, our anger and dismay shouldn't be directed at each other but at the QF management who precipitated all this knowing exactly how the respective pilot groups would respond. The inane finger pointing and name calling from BOTH sides continues to show exactly how right that management were and how pilots continue to attack each other whilst letting the big picture monumentally escape them.
The point I DO agree with is that why are some pilots not acceptable to fly QF mainline but OK to fly for the QF group at cheaper rates. However, that question should be asked by those who didn't get into QF 'mainline' and continue to ply the skies for all the subsidiaries and used to push for further opportunities in mainline. If I'm 'OK' to fly for the group, WHY NOT for mainline. We go the 'group' hard on this then we ALL win. However, this constant shooting off at the mouth at each shows us all for the losers we actually are!
You guys may consider the 'back and forwad' on PPRUNE 'sport' but in the end, every time we 'go off' at each other on this forum, we're putting the gun against our foot and pulling the trigger.
Sorry, as a perpetual optimist and a Christian, I continue to strive and hope for a time when we'll work together without bagging each other out in a hateful way. I guess I should know better. Still, it won't stop me from telling you children to 'knock it off'.
That is, a united approach between both AIPA and the IPG when Jet* was first mooted could have seen a mutually beneficial outcome. That both organisations lacked visionaries to make this happen at the time is regrettable.
Secondly, our anger and dismay shouldn't be directed at each other but at the QF management who precipitated all this knowing exactly how the respective pilot groups would respond. The inane finger pointing and name calling from BOTH sides continues to show exactly how right that management were and how pilots continue to attack each other whilst letting the big picture monumentally escape them.
The point I DO agree with is that why are some pilots not acceptable to fly QF mainline but OK to fly for the QF group at cheaper rates. However, that question should be asked by those who didn't get into QF 'mainline' and continue to ply the skies for all the subsidiaries and used to push for further opportunities in mainline. If I'm 'OK' to fly for the group, WHY NOT for mainline. We go the 'group' hard on this then we ALL win. However, this constant shooting off at the mouth at each shows us all for the losers we actually are!
You guys may consider the 'back and forwad' on PPRUNE 'sport' but in the end, every time we 'go off' at each other on this forum, we're putting the gun against our foot and pulling the trigger.
Sorry, as a perpetual optimist and a Christian, I continue to strive and hope for a time when we'll work together without bagging each other out in a hateful way. I guess I should know better. Still, it won't stop me from telling you children to 'knock it off'.
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Watchdog. As I understand it, yes, FO with Jetscab gets 70K. And normal business practice? I think not. Maybe some small discount. But undercutting by that amount? That move has affected us all as professional airline pilots. But then, you can't really call the Jetscab guys professional, because so called professionals wouldn't do that to one another.
Adama? You are a joke. YOU are a scab, if indeed you work for Jetscab. The definition is in the eye of the beholder. You are working for pittance, you have been rejected by better operators, and you are acceptable ONLY on the pay you are on. I will be very amused when QF mainline vote NO to the ridiculous agreement currently being put together by AIPA.
You have ruined our rumeneration in Australia as pilots. I have every reason to be bitter and cynical towards you. Keg hit the nail on the head, although far more politely than I. Why are you acceptable on one pay scale (extremely low), but not another (reasonable)? Thats because it reflects your immoral, unethical, unprofessional and unconscionable character.
Adama? You are a joke. YOU are a scab, if indeed you work for Jetscab. The definition is in the eye of the beholder. You are working for pittance, you have been rejected by better operators, and you are acceptable ONLY on the pay you are on. I will be very amused when QF mainline vote NO to the ridiculous agreement currently being put together by AIPA.
You have ruined our rumeneration in Australia as pilots. I have every reason to be bitter and cynical towards you. Keg hit the nail on the head, although far more politely than I. Why are you acceptable on one pay scale (extremely low), but not another (reasonable)? Thats because it reflects your immoral, unethical, unprofessional and unconscionable character.
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Chuck,
I am sure there are a lot of people outside of the QF group that will not only be amazed but incredibly happy if you guys vote NO.
so please go right ahead and vote that way, make us all happy, and while you are voting I'll get more ammo ready for your already shot feet
I am sure there are a lot of people outside of the QF group that will not only be amazed but incredibly happy if you guys vote NO.
so please go right ahead and vote that way, make us all happy, and while you are voting I'll get more ammo ready for your already shot feet
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Chuck (aka proplever) "better operators".....Blaaaaaa haaa!!What would you know? Will you also be very amused when WE vote NO to the ridiculous agreement currently being put together by AIPA? Heartening to know you still dont realize that what is needed is a united front. Do you really believe mouthing off on Prune with all this "Scab" rubbish will improve Australian pilot conditions? Get real you @#%^ing brain dead maggot!!! You have no idea what a scab is.
Answer some simple questions prop (aka Chuck). Have National Jet pilots been "scabs" for the last 10 years??
Why dont you take your skirt off, and voice your convictions on QrewRoom?? Why dont you take it up with management?? Oh, I forgot, you're gallantry is limited to the keyboard. You're my hero Chucky Babe!!
Answer some simple questions prop (aka Chuck). Have National Jet pilots been "scabs" for the last 10 years??
Why dont you take your skirt off, and voice your convictions on QrewRoom?? Why dont you take it up with management?? Oh, I forgot, you're gallantry is limited to the keyboard. You're my hero Chucky Babe!!
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You know, I've been thinking about your replies, LGR and spin. And you know how I've been saying all along that your salary at Jetscab is too little? In the case of you two brain surgeons, I actually think that you are paid way too much. I'm going to have a word with the short irish bloke, I'm sure he will agree!
