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We are back to it Woomera. Disappearing threads again?
Whilst the thread was certainly controversial, there was no-one to launch legal action this time, surely?
Why do you keep doing this?
Whilst the thread was certainly controversial, there was no-one to launch legal action this time, surely?
Why do you keep doing this?
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Nah!...wasn't me,
I'm wondering what happened to it too!
As well as the thread on the jetstar guys!
Must be a gremlin in the works!?
Maybe one of the 26 or so Woomeras' we have threw a wobbly!
I'm wondering what happened to it too!
As well as the thread on the jetstar guys!
Must be a gremlin in the works!?
Maybe one of the 26 or so Woomeras' we have threw a wobbly!
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I was wondering about this myself on Fragrant Harbour. Flight Detent posted an opinion regarding Air Hong Kong and the subsequent takover by Cathay Pacific, which resulted in his eventual demise. I posted a conciliatory reply, hoping to calm him down. Next visit to the site, the whole topic gone! I realise that moderators are very busy doing their paying jobs after which they spend a lot of time scrutinising their assigned sectors on pprune; however as a matter of courtesy, I would expect at least a line to say that the topic has been axed so I wouldn't have to keep searching for it. By arbitralily deleting posts that you find not acceptable, you will get repeat inputs from members that don't realise their discretions. Any comments Danny?
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This Woomera (Eastern States) has been away for a "coupla days". I did not delete either thread, however I have been following them with interest. I class myself as a "moderate" moderator 
If the threads have been deleted by one of the Team (and not the originator) they have my wholehearted support for the following reasons:
1. 1989 has been done to death IMHO. Threads about that year always degenerate into the same old fighting and bitterness that just wastes bandwidth. Those of you who don't share these feelings can always go and create your own web presence and carry on the fight there.
2. Proplever, your thread appeared to me to almost mimic the 1989 threads that have proliferated on Dunnunda, with reference to Scabs etc. See point #1. We neither delete nor censor posts solely in response to a threat of legal action. If we feel a particular topic is in poor taste, then it will be deleted or censored. End of story.
I discuss PPRuNe (well, my alter-ego does) with many of its readership on a regular basis, and one thing is becoming evident. Most of them now are disenchanted with Dunnunda, mainly as a result of the repetitive bitching and mud slinging that has been going on here of late. They now visit less (if at all) and are taking their interests elsewhere. This is what we don't wish to happen all as a result of a few agitators.
People seem to forget WHY PPRuNe was established. Danny's original idea was to foster relationships between members and share important information/get a bit of goss at the same time. I'd like a dollar for every pilot who has found out valuable information which has assisted them in snagging that elusive job. No.. I'd donate it to running this service.
It's about time some of you woke up to yourselves.
Over to you.
If the threads have been deleted by one of the Team (and not the originator) they have my wholehearted support for the following reasons:
1. 1989 has been done to death IMHO. Threads about that year always degenerate into the same old fighting and bitterness that just wastes bandwidth. Those of you who don't share these feelings can always go and create your own web presence and carry on the fight there.
2. Proplever, your thread appeared to me to almost mimic the 1989 threads that have proliferated on Dunnunda, with reference to Scabs etc. See point #1. We neither delete nor censor posts solely in response to a threat of legal action. If we feel a particular topic is in poor taste, then it will be deleted or censored. End of story.
I discuss PPRuNe (well, my alter-ego does) with many of its readership on a regular basis, and one thing is becoming evident. Most of them now are disenchanted with Dunnunda, mainly as a result of the repetitive bitching and mud slinging that has been going on here of late. They now visit less (if at all) and are taking their interests elsewhere. This is what we don't wish to happen all as a result of a few agitators.
People seem to forget WHY PPRuNe was established. Danny's original idea was to foster relationships between members and share important information/get a bit of goss at the same time. I'd like a dollar for every pilot who has found out valuable information which has assisted them in snagging that elusive job. No.. I'd donate it to running this service.
It's about time some of you woke up to yourselves.
Over to you.
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I'm new at pruning thus I was concerned that I had a posting deleted from "Acronyms Annonymous". I don't know why.
I contacted admin1 to ask and they can't tell me.
The ONLY reason I asked was to find out if I'd broken the rules. I still don't know why.
Is it possible to advise posters why a postings/threads has been deleted... or are there too many!!
Cheers
I'm new at pruning thus I was concerned that I had a posting deleted from "Acronyms Annonymous". I don't know why.
I contacted admin1 to ask and they can't tell me.
The ONLY reason I asked was to find out if I'd broken the rules. I still don't know why.
Is it possible to advise posters why a postings/threads has been deleted... or are there too many!!
Cheers
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Hear hear!
PRuNers should also remember that the thread originator can delete "his/her" thread and this form of "self censorship" has been known to occur.
I am going to have to go and find a copy of the "Ten Thingies" methinks.
D & G is probably the most lightly moderated Forum on PPRuNe if the threads that get sent to Admin from the others are any indication.
If there is censorship it is for a "good" reason, you'll just have to trust us on this.
And if we have to raise the bar to get the;
back then so be it.
Us Woomerii have all been around here a looooooooooong time and witness to some seriously, sad, funny, erudite, amazingly diverse, mindbogglingly esoteric, highly scientific, spiritual and genius threads and posts.
It has gone off a fair bit and I for one really miss em, we are all informed and educated by and in turn inform and educate our peers.
Let's keep it that way shall we.
One of the other Woomera
Hear hear!
PRuNers should also remember that the thread originator can delete "his/her" thread and this form of "self censorship" has been known to occur.
I am going to have to go and find a copy of the "Ten Thingies" methinks.
People seem to forget WHY PPRuNe was established. Danny's original idea was to foster relationships between members and share important information/get a bit of goss at the same time. I'd like a dollar for every pilot who has found out valuable information which has assisted them in snagging that elusive job. No.. I'd donate it to running this service.
If there is censorship it is for a "good" reason, you'll just have to trust us on this.
And if we have to raise the bar to get the;
Most of them now are disenchanted with Dunnunda, mainly as a result of the repetitive bitching and mud slinging that has been going on here of late. They now visit less (if at all) and are taking their interests elsewhere. This is what we don't wish to happen all as a result of a few agitators.
Us Woomerii have all been around here a looooooooooong time and witness to some seriously, sad, funny, erudite, amazingly diverse, mindbogglingly esoteric, highly scientific, spiritual and genius threads and posts.
It has gone off a fair bit and I for one really miss em, we are all informed and educated by and in turn inform and educate our peers.
Let's keep it that way shall we.
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I moved the thread to the PPRuNe Administration Forum for two reasons:
1. 1989 has been done to death, time and again in Dunnunda Forum.
2. The thread suggested all Impulse pilots collectively were SC*BS by definition and invited them to comment or confirm.
The thread degenerated to the point where I exercised my prerogative to remove it from public view.
Animalclub, the thread “Acronyms Anonymous” is in Jet Blast forum which Woomeri do not moderate. You should contact one of the Jet Blast moderators, flaps forty, flyblue or Wholigan. There are many PPRuNe moderators designated to various Forums; I can easily understand why an Admin moderator would not know why your post was removed - if it was removed.
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1. 1989 has been done to death, time and again in Dunnunda Forum.
2. The thread suggested all Impulse pilots collectively were SC*BS by definition and invited them to comment or confirm.
The thread degenerated to the point where I exercised my prerogative to remove it from public view.
Animalclub, the thread “Acronyms Anonymous” is in Jet Blast forum which Woomeri do not moderate. You should contact one of the Jet Blast moderators, flaps forty, flyblue or Wholigan. There are many PPRuNe moderators designated to various Forums; I can easily understand why an Admin moderator would not know why your post was removed - if it was removed.
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Thanks for showing some commonsense woomera.
Proplever. Remember to properly identify yourself next time you absolutely have to have the jump seat. Pleading I think it was.
Remember the vote. Proplever is your representative on this forum
Proplever. Remember to properly identify yourself next time you absolutely have to have the jump seat. Pleading I think it was.
Remember the vote. Proplever is your representative on this forum
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Well!!...
this is a bit like pulling teeth, ain't it?
After 10 posts or so, one of our 32 Woomerii's (or is that Woomeraa's?) comes clean and admits to pulling the plug on a thread, because...
(a) He didn't like it.
(b) He's sick of the subject.
(c) Some softy complained... (this has my vote!)
I'm not aware of anyone complaining during the " discussions" that took place so, maybe one has to consider that our moderation is perhaps becoming a bit "personal."
But, you know, we keep getting told these days that "it's our trainset" so I guess we either like it or lump it!
Anyway, enough of this padding, which after all is just mere detail.
What we know is that one of our 37 Woomerii's has admitted to pulling the plug on the Jetstar thread (guilt, honour, etc, whatever) eventually made him come clean!
But, what we don't know is...
WHO PULLED THE PLUG ON MY THREAD RE "THE 89' DISPUTE AND THE LEGAL PROFESSION ?"
this is a bit like pulling teeth, ain't it?
After 10 posts or so, one of our 32 Woomerii's (or is that Woomeraa's?) comes clean and admits to pulling the plug on a thread, because...
(a) He didn't like it.
(b) He's sick of the subject.
(c) Some softy complained... (this has my vote!)
I'm not aware of anyone complaining during the " discussions" that took place so, maybe one has to consider that our moderation is perhaps becoming a bit "personal."
But, you know, we keep getting told these days that "it's our trainset" so I guess we either like it or lump it!
Anyway, enough of this padding, which after all is just mere detail.
What we know is that one of our 37 Woomerii's has admitted to pulling the plug on the Jetstar thread (guilt, honour, etc, whatever) eventually made him come clean!
But, what we don't know is...
WHO PULLED THE PLUG ON MY THREAD RE "THE 89' DISPUTE AND THE LEGAL PROFESSION ?"
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amos - who cares who pulled the plug. We all know WHY it was pulled.
I honestly thought you had pulled the plug as the thread was starting to cover old, old territory and the usual foes and arguments, for and against, were beginning to surface. I thought to myself, "Amos is volunteering for a Moderator's position on D&G." What's your handle - "Woomamostoo" or would it be "Amostoori" ?
Oh well, the children still believe in the Easter Bunny.
I honestly thought you had pulled the plug as the thread was starting to cover old, old territory and the usual foes and arguments, for and against, were beginning to surface. I thought to myself, "Amos is volunteering for a Moderator's position on D&G." What's your handle - "Woomamostoo" or would it be "Amostoori" ?
Oh well, the children still believe in the Easter Bunny.
People,
I think the Woomerii do an excellent job, their job would be somewhat easier if people decided to include their real name an email address for people to directly contact them when they make a controversial post.
I could guarantee you that if you were to apply a simple test to every post no censorship would occur, i.e. would you be happy to put your real ARN, Name, email, and phone number on the post, if not then expect Woomerii have the right to censor.
Its not your site, its not you name/neck on the block, so the people who do run it have a right to run it as they wish. Feel free to set up you own site, where you can take responsibility for the contents, and pay for the bills.
Remember seeing this at the bottom of the page "As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions."
As for "censor the people" many many many people including the mods on pprune have multiple IDs, the mods treat each ID as a separate user, I have heard of people being banned number of times to resurface under another userid.
It amazes me to see the number of people who complain about pprune, and a lot of these people don't put their hand in their pockets and support pprune. How many people on this thread have made donations to pprrune ?
I know at the start in aviation money is tight, the mods, Woomerii, etc have a lot of exp behind them and they do contribute back, it would be nice if the readers & complainers would by clicking here
For the record, Woomerii are not paid, they are putting their little but back into aviation.
Woomerii, Kelly Gang, other past and future mods, thanks, keep up the good work...
I think the Woomerii do an excellent job, their job would be somewhat easier if people decided to include their real name an email address for people to directly contact them when they make a controversial post.
I could guarantee you that if you were to apply a simple test to every post no censorship would occur, i.e. would you be happy to put your real ARN, Name, email, and phone number on the post, if not then expect Woomerii have the right to censor.
Its not your site, its not you name/neck on the block, so the people who do run it have a right to run it as they wish. Feel free to set up you own site, where you can take responsibility for the contents, and pay for the bills.
Remember seeing this at the bottom of the page "As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions."
As for "censor the people" many many many people including the mods on pprune have multiple IDs, the mods treat each ID as a separate user, I have heard of people being banned number of times to resurface under another userid.
It amazes me to see the number of people who complain about pprune, and a lot of these people don't put their hand in their pockets and support pprune. How many people on this thread have made donations to pprrune ?
I know at the start in aviation money is tight, the mods, Woomerii, etc have a lot of exp behind them and they do contribute back, it would be nice if the readers & complainers would by clicking here
For the record, Woomerii are not paid, they are putting their little but back into aviation.
Woomerii, Kelly Gang, other past and future mods, thanks, keep up the good work...
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Been banned for a day once myself....
What For?????
never really got an answer.....
What do I believe was the reason........
I questioned the impartiality of the moderators!!!!!
Do I accept it????
Have to if I want to continue to participate on this forum. Just as we all do!!!!
If you don't like it write to your MP!!!! I'm sure you'll get the response you seek (not).
If you don't like the rules take your bat and ball and go home. but for god's sake stop bit@hing about it.
GB12
What For?????
never really got an answer.....
What do I believe was the reason........
I questioned the impartiality of the moderators!!!!!
Do I accept it????
Have to if I want to continue to participate on this forum. Just as we all do!!!!
If you don't like it write to your MP!!!! I'm sure you'll get the response you seek (not).
If you don't like the rules take your bat and ball and go home. but for god's sake stop bit@hing about it.
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Gunner & Planned Root
I can't speak for the Woomeri but the Kelly Gang tried to keep folk informed when their posts were considered not appropriate. Often we were thwarted because folk choose to hide their email address.
Given that leopards don't change their spots, it's fairly safe to assume that Woomeri have a similar problem. In fact I've just tried to email Gunner, only to receve the following message.
On the topic of censorship in general, moderating is a thankless task as one cannot keep every one happy all the time. As a moderator I read threads that were critical of my employer, and never once censored them for that.
However, I would suggest a strw poll would find that PPRuNe's regard has slipped over time and this seems to be, from conversations I've had on the flight deck, to be because the general tone is seen as one of whinging and bitching.
I certainly gave away moderating because I'd had enough of the '89 flame wars, and other folk who couldn't or wouldn't argue a point. Should some one disagree with them, out would come all the usual vitriol and invective.
Still an active professional pilot, I don't read PPRuNe as much as I used to, nor do I enjoy what I read as much as I used to, nor do I learn as much as I used to. And I think this is a sad situation.
To Woomeri:
You have my gratitude and support for the job you perform on PPRuNe. In my opinion you perform with integrity and show almost boundless patience.
I can't speak for the Woomeri but the Kelly Gang tried to keep folk informed when their posts were considered not appropriate. Often we were thwarted because folk choose to hide their email address.
Given that leopards don't change their spots, it's fairly safe to assume that Woomeri have a similar problem. In fact I've just tried to email Gunner, only to receve the following message.
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Sorry! That user has specified that they do not wish to receive emails through this board. If you still wish to send an email to this user, please contact the administrator and they may be able to help.
Sorry! That user has specified that they do not wish to receive emails through this board. If you still wish to send an email to this user, please contact the administrator and they may be able to help.
However, I would suggest a strw poll would find that PPRuNe's regard has slipped over time and this seems to be, from conversations I've had on the flight deck, to be because the general tone is seen as one of whinging and bitching.
I certainly gave away moderating because I'd had enough of the '89 flame wars, and other folk who couldn't or wouldn't argue a point. Should some one disagree with them, out would come all the usual vitriol and invective.
Still an active professional pilot, I don't read PPRuNe as much as I used to, nor do I enjoy what I read as much as I used to, nor do I learn as much as I used to. And I think this is a sad situation.
To Woomeri:
You have my gratitude and support for the job you perform on PPRuNe. In my opinion you perform with integrity and show almost boundless patience.
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Well, I've been away flying for a day or so, and I come back to find out that a "woomera" has admitted his censorship.
All because YOU felt that 1989 had been done to death (which the thread had nothing to do with), and because YOU felt that Impulse pilots were being called sc@bs.
YES! They are! They have behaved just like sc@bs, and your sensitivity to it seems to confirm exactly my point.
Don't worry DM. I won't need to jump seat any time soon. And if I did? I think I'd probably fly Virgin instead. At least they have their integrity intact.
All because YOU felt that 1989 had been done to death (which the thread had nothing to do with), and because YOU felt that Impulse pilots were being called sc@bs.
YES! They are! They have behaved just like sc@bs, and your sensitivity to it seems to confirm exactly my point.
Don't worry DM. I won't need to jump seat any time soon. And if I did? I think I'd probably fly Virgin instead. At least they have their integrity intact.
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