Ex-Ansett employees get more cash
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Figures M and M have a rather slack bunch working for them (or not working, as it seems). Myself and a significant number of pals were told that KM didn't receive our proof of debt forms. Hmmm...... We all sent them in (who wouldn't when you're owed $30K+ ??!!). So, despite notification, no $$ yet. Nice one. All adds insult to injury, I'm afraid. The "if and when money", as one bright AN manager referred to it, is in limbo, but with no dependants to put food on the table for, I'm glad some others got it before me......really. By the by, the 50% tax comment is a bit rich. A friend was owed $44K and received $18, so I trust this was half (as expected) less about $4 tax. Hope this helps with a rough calculation. Redundancies simply aren't taxed the way 'normal' pay is. For others wanting to keep up to date, visit www.ansett.com.au and click on staff (password requied, if you can remember it!). You can call the pay office on (03) 9623 3735 and hear a recording. Press 4 for 'employee hotline'. The email address for pay queries is [email protected] and the fax number is (03) 8600 8433. They will forward you a proof of debt form via email or fax and you can then fax it to (03) 9623 3144. Hope it all helps. Good tidings to all.
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Perm FO ,I too was told I "owed " them about 3 grand and this has mysteriously inflated to over 13 grand in the latest statement. The old employee hotline have so far failed to return my calls and and email.Fortunately I still have the copy of the proof of debt and I can't wait to hear their creative accounting story for this one ( if we ever hear anything at all ! )
Same same!
Owed 20K but I bought this laptop at the advice of Flight Management. Advised it was imperative to have a computer to perform duties of an Ansett pilot. Never used it once!
So owed 20K. I owe them 3k for my essential computer but now it has inflated to 10K debt!
I have an appreciating Laptop according to the two Monkeys!
Owed 20K but I bought this laptop at the advice of Flight Management. Advised it was imperative to have a computer to perform duties of an Ansett pilot. Never used it once!
So owed 20K. I owe them 3k for my essential computer but now it has inflated to 10K debt!
I have an appreciating Laptop according to the two Monkeys!
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Oldhasbeen - I kept my Proof of Debt form as well so have now sent copies to my local MP. I'm not sure whether this will help but ringing the staff hotline or emailing them is not helping either. It looks like Eminem are trying to pull a swifty. I am no legal expert but if they say that my debt is as per the Proof of Debt then it can't be adjusted according to some voodoo doll formula. What gets up my nose is they got all this publicity about how Ansett staff were going to get all this money well hopefully they will get some publicity but none of it good.
To those of you still to receive money. If you were stood down on the 14th Sept then the administrator is withholding 2 weeks gross pay as they say you were paid 2 weeks in advance in the sept pay. Also they are withholding what you owed them re salary sacrifice. I understand that the 2 weeks pay they are withholding has been incorrectly calculated. Instead of 2 weeks at base rate they took 2 weeks at the average of the sept pay, ie including overtime and dta. This will be rectified. So if you were owed less than 10k you may not see any more dollars. There may be a deal done for this 2 weeks pay when the mediation happens on the brp vs the cr redundancy pay in february. Regards Visual Landing.
PS They are withholding 2weeks of mine as well as some salary sacrifice items.
PS They are withholding 2weeks of mine as well as some salary sacrifice items.
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I`m not sure, but as this money was paid at the time we were stood down ,14/09/01, wasn`t that payment made under the terms of our existing EB? If that is the case ,and I dont know if it is, but if it is, then I thought that the window of oportunity for the employer reclaim overpayment stopped at six months from the date the overpayment was made?????????
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Just recieved a letter from one of the idiots saying they are withholding 2 weeks wages for the end of sep 01. As far as I'm concerned I agreed to a proof of debt which didn't mention anything about this and now they are moving the goalposts again. How do these pricks lie straight in bed at night??
And besides if They were going to pay me 10g's for 2 weeks work, it's no bloody wonder we went tits up!! I can see, that in the end, they are subtely(?) moving to a position where I actually owe them money for working.
And besides if They were going to pay me 10g's for 2 weeks work, it's no bloody wonder we went tits up!! I can see, that in the end, they are subtely(?) moving to a position where I actually owe them money for working.
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I have a claim in for about 10K. So 72% equals $7200 and all I want for XMas is a 737 endorcement so a down payment would be great.
My gripes:
1. I cannot understand the message on the helpline...what is the email address - he says it so quickly and every variation I've tried keeps bouncing.
2. They're away until Jan 5.
3. According to the AFAP, the amount I'm owned is in a special category and is not covered in this payment. So that means I'll never get anything because if they won't pay this out in full they won't pay anything else out.
4. I'm so pi$$ed off because when they sold KD, all KD employes should have been paid out then. The only time when KD people were wanted by Ansett, and treated them as equals, was when we were worth money to them and it pi$$sses me right off.
Kathartic release
Pi$$ off number two: How did it happen that the CRJ guys get sacked when we were making money (must take into account Air New Zealand keeping the financial protection -what a scam- of the lease payments and Ansetts dodgy revenue mangement practices - but we were making good money for the group), and the guys who were losing money big time, Impluse, are now in the best position in the country.
I just don't understand.
My gripes:
1. I cannot understand the message on the helpline...what is the email address - he says it so quickly and every variation I've tried keeps bouncing.
2. They're away until Jan 5.
3. According to the AFAP, the amount I'm owned is in a special category and is not covered in this payment. So that means I'll never get anything because if they won't pay this out in full they won't pay anything else out.
4. I'm so pi$$ed off because when they sold KD, all KD employes should have been paid out then. The only time when KD people were wanted by Ansett, and treated them as equals, was when we were worth money to them and it pi$$sses me right off.
Kathartic release
Pi$$ off number two: How did it happen that the CRJ guys get sacked when we were making money (must take into account Air New Zealand keeping the financial protection -what a scam- of the lease payments and Ansetts dodgy revenue mangement practices - but we were making good money for the group), and the guys who were losing money big time, Impluse, are now in the best position in the country.
I just don't understand.
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Tues "Melbourne Age"
'Bungles' in scheme for Ansett staff
By Josh Gordon
Canberra
December 23, 2003
The Federal Government's decision to use a private firm to run the Ansett workers' ticket tax scheme has involved substantial extra costs to taxpayers, the Audit Office has concluded.
In a report detailing a series of alleged bungles, the Audit Office accused the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations of failing to guard against tax risks, mismanaging funds raised through the levy, and forgetting to share important information with Centrelink.
The Government announced the scheme in September 2001, to help cover up to $500 million of outstanding pay and leave entitlements for about 13,000 workers left vulnerable by the collapse of Ansett.
The outstanding entitlements were mainly funded through a Commonwealth Bank loan taken out by a private company set up specially to run the scheme.
In turn, the Federal Government paid the firm (a subsidiary of Sydney-based Bentleys MRI) regular instalments of $8 million a month, raising the money through the $10 tax on domestic air tickets.
However the department, which was ultimately responsible for the scheme and had agreed to bear any risks, failed to take action against the risk that the income being paid to the private firm would be deemed taxable by the Tax Office.
That risk was realised in April 2002, when the Commission of Taxation ruled that the payments by the department were subject to company tax at the rate of 30 per cent, the report said.
"Addressing all of the unintended tax consequences has taken substantial time and effort, and therefore cost," the report said.
The Audit Office was also critical of the department for paying the firm only $8 million a month to meet the loan costs, even though the ticket tax was raising about $13 million a month.
It said the department continued to make the payments "without any apparent consideration of the interest costs", and concluded that $3.6 million could have been saved by lifting the rate of repayments.
Also, the department failed to provide Centrelink with important information in time to avoid double-dipping.
In a response published as an appendix to the report, the department said the Audit Office had failed to adequately recognise that the scheme had been set up in a hurry.
"To delay implementation, as suggested by the (Audit Office), would have had a significant social and economic impact on the Ansett employees already without employment or alternative sources of finance," the department said. "The (Audit Office) do not, in their analysis of this issue, adequately recognise the human dimension."
The report said the scheme has paid out a total of $336.1 million to 12,994 former Ansett workers, with an average payment of $25,868. It said Ansett administrators still had about $400 million in the bank, which could only be distributed to creditors once legal disputes were resolved.
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'Bungles' in scheme for Ansett staff
By Josh Gordon
Canberra
December 23, 2003
The Federal Government's decision to use a private firm to run the Ansett workers' ticket tax scheme has involved substantial extra costs to taxpayers, the Audit Office has concluded.
In a report detailing a series of alleged bungles, the Audit Office accused the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations of failing to guard against tax risks, mismanaging funds raised through the levy, and forgetting to share important information with Centrelink.
The Government announced the scheme in September 2001, to help cover up to $500 million of outstanding pay and leave entitlements for about 13,000 workers left vulnerable by the collapse of Ansett.
The outstanding entitlements were mainly funded through a Commonwealth Bank loan taken out by a private company set up specially to run the scheme.
In turn, the Federal Government paid the firm (a subsidiary of Sydney-based Bentleys MRI) regular instalments of $8 million a month, raising the money through the $10 tax on domestic air tickets.
However the department, which was ultimately responsible for the scheme and had agreed to bear any risks, failed to take action against the risk that the income being paid to the private firm would be deemed taxable by the Tax Office.
That risk was realised in April 2002, when the Commission of Taxation ruled that the payments by the department were subject to company tax at the rate of 30 per cent, the report said.
"Addressing all of the unintended tax consequences has taken substantial time and effort, and therefore cost," the report said.
The Audit Office was also critical of the department for paying the firm only $8 million a month to meet the loan costs, even though the ticket tax was raising about $13 million a month.
It said the department continued to make the payments "without any apparent consideration of the interest costs", and concluded that $3.6 million could have been saved by lifting the rate of repayments.
Also, the department failed to provide Centrelink with important information in time to avoid double-dipping.
In a response published as an appendix to the report, the department said the Audit Office had failed to adequately recognise that the scheme had been set up in a hurry.
"To delay implementation, as suggested by the (Audit Office), would have had a significant social and economic impact on the Ansett employees already without employment or alternative sources of finance," the department said. "The (Audit Office) do not, in their analysis of this issue, adequately recognise the human dimension."
The report said the scheme has paid out a total of $336.1 million to 12,994 former Ansett workers, with an average payment of $25,868. It said Ansett administrators still had about $400 million in the bank, which could only be distributed to creditors once legal disputes were resolved.
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