NZ CAA jack up on B737NG Differences course.
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NZ CAA jack up on B737NG Differences course.
Heard on the grapevine that New Zealand CAA will not accept a Boeing 737NG differences course conducted by either Qantas or GECAT in Hong Kong. They will only accept the course done by Boeing (Altheon) in Seattle. Does anyone know why this is so?
Hudson,
There is no 737NG's on the NZ register so it is impossible to hold a 737NG rating on a NZ licence.
If you have it on an Australian licence you can get it put onto your NZ licence using the TTMRA forms, under the TTMRA the NZ CAA cannot prevent you from holding the rating if its on your Australian licence (note this still requires a 737NG to be placed on the NZ register).
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There is no 737NG's on the NZ register so it is impossible to hold a 737NG rating on a NZ licence.
If you have it on an Australian licence you can get it put onto your NZ licence using the TTMRA forms, under the TTMRA the NZ CAA cannot prevent you from holding the rating if its on your Australian licence (note this still requires a 737NG to be placed on the NZ register).
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swh, I think if they stick it on your nz licence from an aussie one then they will put "issued under ttmra" on your licence and claim it is a conversion to stop you trying to fly overseas on a nz licence with the NG type rating. Under the guidelines of the ttrma IT IS NOT A CONVERSION FROM A FORIEGN LICENCE so legally the caa in nz can't call it this, but it doesn't stop them. Casa have already been dragged into legal battle with NZ Caa by some aussie pilots when NZ caa refused to honour the ttrma.
stillalbatross, I agree with what you are saying, if you tried to put the A320 on the NZ licence that was on your Oz licence they would tell you the same story, sorry none on the register. Kiwi use to fly A320s from NZ to Oz but they were S7 registered. This will change when ANZ gets them online this year.
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NZER,
So what you are saying, is if we, the pilots, paid 4 Uncle CAA to go to HK &/or the new complex in Brissy, they might credit it? And therefore gratiously allow us to pay them some more money for the numbers on our Lic. Yes?
So what you are saying, is if we, the pilots, paid 4 Uncle CAA to go to HK &/or the new complex in Brissy, they might credit it? And therefore gratiously allow us to pay them some more money for the numbers on our Lic. Yes?
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air nz maintain a lot of ng's though virgins/air pacifics etc
and swh... there are ng's on nz's register, pacific blue has 3 -800's
and swh... there are ng's on nz's register, pacific blue has 3 -800's
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To clarify. A recruiting agency in NZ is hiring people for a 737 operation and part of the deal is that you must have an NG rating.
So people that are interested and already have a 737 Classic rating look around for a differences course and settle on GECAT and/or Qantas. Then the recruiting firm is told by NZ CAA that that is not acceptable and that they will only accept a differences course done by Boeing in Seattle. Why therefore is GECAT and Qantas NG differences course considered no good for CAA NZ?
Is this a typical bureaucracy problem or are the GECAT /Qantas courses not considered to be up to the standards required by NZ CAA?
So people that are interested and already have a 737 Classic rating look around for a differences course and settle on GECAT and/or Qantas. Then the recruiting firm is told by NZ CAA that that is not acceptable and that they will only accept a differences course done by Boeing in Seattle. Why therefore is GECAT and Qantas NG differences course considered no good for CAA NZ?
Is this a typical bureaucracy problem or are the GECAT /Qantas courses not considered to be up to the standards required by NZ CAA?
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heard the story through friend , hey NZCAA always jump in to conclusion , C***s dont understand that other countries too have a good foundatio for avaition. cannot even leave closely with CASA, may be CASA should teach the NZCAA
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Have NZ caa actually said why they are being typical 
and the reasoning behind this sudden knee jerk reaction?
I mean, hey, why should NZ caa help with the employment of NZ pilots over others.....
Maybe letters to our local MP's???
and the reasoning behind this sudden knee jerk reaction? I mean, hey, why should NZ caa help with the employment of NZ pilots over others.....
Maybe letters to our local MP's???
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I think nzer is right. The CAA have only audited the FlightSafetyBoeing course so that is the only one they recognise. Not saying it is necessarily right though - ie if the course is approved by a foreign authority (FAA etc), why isn't that sufficient?
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Thank you aerostatic - at least one balanced person in on this discussion - NO authority "automatically" accept a course except by an exchange of agreements, and it MAY involve an audit - QF would almost certainly be approved as of right under the TTMRA - BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE APPLICATION - if you are all to thick to grasp that then maybe you shouldn't be flying.
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Price of the differences course
Having established that the CAA effectively recognises only Alteon at the present time, would anybody know what is the price of the 737-NG differences course in Brisbane with Alteon?
How does this compare with Alteon Seattle/Miami etc
Thanks
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How does this compare with Alteon Seattle/Miami etc
Thanks
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Hey swh
"There is no 737NG's on the NZ register so it is impossible to hold a 737NG rating on a NZ licence."
I have NG on my New Zealand Licence and have had it 2000....so you revisit your rule book guys. The NZ CAA arent making it difficult...they are saying that Boeing is the only ground school they currently approve. Its not rcket science! how many conversion schools around the world do they have to sit on to satisfy everyones budget.
There may be other ways...think outside the box. I had to and it worked. Look at the TTRMA and other NZCAA approved licences. If you really want the Ng on your NZ licence you can do it. I did it ...I used it.!
Good luck
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"There is no 737NG's on the NZ register so it is impossible to hold a 737NG rating on a NZ licence."
I have NG on my New Zealand Licence and have had it 2000....so you revisit your rule book guys. The NZ CAA arent making it difficult...they are saying that Boeing is the only ground school they currently approve. Its not rcket science! how many conversion schools around the world do they have to sit on to satisfy everyones budget.
There may be other ways...think outside the box. I had to and it worked. Look at the TTRMA and other NZCAA approved licences. If you really want the Ng on your NZ licence you can do it. I did it ...I used it.!
Good luck
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There is no 737NG's on the NZ register so it is impossible to hold a 737NG rating on a NZ licence."
ZK - PBA, PBC, PBD all registered to Pacfic Blue (NZ) Ltd.
Have I missed something here?
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