The IAA does not pay health insurance. You're correct that its not cheap, but it is almost a necessity, as the public health service is a disaster.
The IAA will not normally offer you employment elsewhere, if you fail exams. If you are coming as an ATCO then that's what you'll be. If you dont make the grade - as happened recently with our Belarusian friend, you will be let go

Anyway, those who don't risk, don't drink champaign ;) I wouldn't apply if I knew that I can't go back to my previous employer:cool:

@expatATCO,
having no idea to say YES/NO to your decesion but it seems(upon my research) that IAA offer is not anything special.
Do not expect that you will save more than 1000 Eur/per month,after all payments(tax,health insurance,appartment,utility,food...).
I don't know where you come from but as lowest paid rdr ATCO in Europe after all those expenses(mentioned above) 600/700EUr remains.
So I think that IAA offer is not :
I don't know what exactly they offered to you,but I do not believe that full salary will be paid before rating/endorsment for particular sector(s) .

Some other solutions seem to be better,and as shortage of ATCOs (so I have been told:E) exist expect even more better offers in near future.
If you have strong wish to leave your employer:ok:,or you are looking for change and challenge:ok: in your life than wait for a little.
With 27 years,all ratings and ability to move you are in better position than many ANSPs around World. They need you.
Anyhow,
best wishes in any directions you decide,

Any tower jobs on offer!!!

Net pays.
 

G'day All.

I've just read this entire thread and I have a few questions.
I have received an offer of a permanent position with 5 yrs radar experience. On my calculations and they could be wrong, 75K EU including shift penalites + subscription to the Overtime scheme taking gross pay to around 84K + public holidays works out to around 88k. After checking tax rates, I worked this out to a net pay after contributions (roughly 6%) of 4362 EU per month.

My guess at monthly expenses are:

Rent 800
Phone 60
Food 400 (couple)
Internet 50
Other Utils 400
Car 500


I guess that health insurance needs paying aswell. Anyone know what that is worth for a married couple?

From Australia, what I know is that at least 2 people have offers for starting in October and they are from the brisbane centre.

Are there any costs that I appear to have missed?

I hope it works out and I get to work with y'all.

G'day Allrounder,

I assume that you are going to Shannon as the rent in Dublin is generally higher than 800 per month.

I am currently in Melbourne Centre and have been offered a job in Dublin starting in October.

Have a look at this site for health insurance, we found it fairly useful.

Health Care Ireland. Health Insurance Ireland. Vhi Ireland

For used cars this is a handy site.

Car Buyers Guide - Buy & Sell, New & Used Cars in Ireland with CBG

It looks like used cars are pretty cheap in Ireland but you have to be careful with the taxes. I have been told that it is better to go with a Diesel car as the taxes work out cheaper.

Cheers,

West ATC

Morning fellas.

Properties to let

Dublin rents will be around the €1300 mark, though depending on location and type of property there could be significant variation.

Car tax for cars registered after July 08 is based on CO2 emissions, pre-July the old system of engine size still applies. See here.

For health insurance, look at the alternatives to VHI:

Hibernian Health

Quinn Healthcare

Bear in mind, the payment for this scheme involves a lump sum payment of €4k on signing up, then double time for hours worked [rostered for 1 day a month, requirement to attend for 8 of the 12 days] In Dublin there's a pretty good chance you'll get to work all 8 days in the year, and more if you want (subject to a max of 3 days per month, and 24 days per annum)

Thanks guys for that info.

Yes it is shannon that I am off to. I've been looking around ennis for a place to rent and have seen suitable places for the 7-800 mark/month.

Would it cost around 200 Euros a month in heating, assuming its on 24/7!!

I got that email too, no job for me.
Process took an excessively long time, with no tranparancy on the recruitment process at all. Would have been nice to get an offer, and have something to consider. It's not so much the lack of an offer that pisses me off, it's more the whole recruitment process and the way we've been left in the dark. Would I really want to work for this organisation? :ugh:

I got the job in october 08.
can anybody tell me what will be the take home pay per fortnight after all the deductions. Pay fixed at Euro 62000 + shift pay + OT
Like tax, standard deductions from pay.
What are the other costs like health insurance, car loan payments, child education, heating costs, corporation tax etc.( have I missed anything?)

ATCO94 et al
There is a wealth of info within this thread about all you need to know
Ballpark figures!
Net income is about 70% of gross income. The OT scheme only guarantees 4K per annum.If you are called its double time for the hours worked. There are 12 Bank Holidays in Ireland. On average you hit 8 of them @ 3x pay or 2x pay + day in lieu - your choice. the ones you miss are extra days pay or day off in lieu.

Health Insurance nuclear family is 2k
Phone/2Mb Internet €720
Electricity €1500
Rent - regional differences - see above threads
Schools - Free - books uniforms etc = 1 x arm + 1 x leg
VAT (sales tax) is 21% - a real bastard!
Interest rates - as per ECB 4.5%
Average Industrial wage €35-40K

Pint of Beer €5
20 Cigarettes €8
Big Mac meal €8
3 Course meal for 2 + wine €100
10Km cab ride €10-15
Petrol €1.25 ish Diesel €1.35 ish

What else do ya need?

Electricity €1500, Phone/2Mb Internet €720:eek: Is it per year or per month or per what?

Per Year. Its expensive here, but not that expensive!

thank you beamwidth
how much is heating costs( or is it included in the electricity )

What are the working hours in dublin & shannon. Also the rest/relief in day & night duties. Any career development/diversification opportunities given by IAA.:confused:

@ ATCO94

If you got the job read carefully your letter of appointment;)

expatco If you donot undertand the question will clarify.
That letter only tells about no of working hours in week. My question was what is the shift pattern like. What is the rest-relief cycle. Do you count the relief time in the total working hours in the week.
Tell me are these given in your appointment letter ?
can you mail me copy of your appointment letter?

Read page 4 of this thread for shift details.

career progression
 

i believe that the standard IAA rules pertain .....
5 years before you're entitled to apply for a promotion.
Other opertunities arise with less experience - e.g. OJTI, UCE, Instructor etc. These normally have a 2 year experience requirement.

On the matterr of heating bills, in the main, about the same as electricity ( most heating systems are oil or gas based ) subject to change

Thank you all . hope to see you soon.:ok:

ATCO94 then you should read all thread properly before writing queries here:cool:

Can anyone tell any temporary place to stay before I can get my permanent accommodation?

give us a clue!
 

expATCO

I'm sure we can suggest something, but at least meet us half way!!!!!!
Where?/How many people?/What type (hotel/B+B/a room in a house)How do you intend to commute (bus/train/car foot)?

I think some cheap B&B near the training centre would be great:ok:. I'd like to go either by foot or by bus:rolleyes: I found Shannon Lodge B&B but was unable to book it:ugh:

try this link for a start.
????????????????
The training centre is in Ballycasey, next to Shannon town.
The b and b's listed as being in ballycasey are less than 5 mins walk from training centre, some are across the road from it.
Shannon town centre is 15 mins walk.
The airport is 5km away from Shannon town.

Hey Beamwidth,

Do they not still travel by donkey and burn peats that far South West???

Looks like you will have you hands and ears full with new trainees shortly,

Cheers TR

TR
With the price of oil, it wont be long before we're burning the donkey!

i guess its a long way from the sun,sand,more sand,more sand and oil that you've become used to,buddy.

I'd encourage you to come, but we couldn't afford to pay you enough to continue with the lifestyle that you have acquired!!!!

dont forget the factor 50, wee man

Regards
BW

what it costs to live in ireland
 

you might find everything you need to know on the internet. If you are prepared to make a move like this then put in the spade work.

here's a good starting point:
It's your money

Website run by irish financial regulator.
make sure to check out the life events section and the cost compare section.

Good luck with all the application business.

B+Bs
 

expATCO Should be a lot of B+B rooms available in an area called Bunratty. It's a tourist area about 5 or so kms from the ACC. Tourism is down this year so room availability is higher than norm. Bunratty Arms is the only name I can recall at the moment. You'll need to hire a rental car.

HI Guys,

Have any of you that have accepted positions in Shannon/Dublin been given any indication as to when you are likely to start training etc.

No firm numbers have been given to us yet, but i think a class of 6 starting in shannon in October :hmm: :hmm:

Cheers!!! :ok:

thelowestlevel

They require to arrive on 28th October at Shannon, but as I understood starting date of employment is on 20th October. Yes there will be 6 of us there.

Do everybody need a green card to sign a contract there? When are you guys who received letter of appointment going to arrive to Shannon/Dublin?

expATCO,

it probably depends on where you are from, inside the EU, probably not, outside, i would think that some sort of work permit would be required, i doubt that it is that difficult to obtain, although knowing irish red tape, it could take a bit of time :ugh: :ugh:

Your best bet would be to enquire from those already here, shannon has 2 canadians, 2 aussies, and 1 kiwi :D :D

not sure about Dublin.

That means that everybody except me are already there?

ExpATCO,
By law you can't be issued a formal contract until you have a work permit. You may get a draft copy in an email but that will be all. If you have filled out your application for the work permit it will take about four weeks to process once it arrives back in Ireland. The IAA will then send you your work permit together with your contract and letters to obtain bank accounts etc.

In terms of staff who are already here, the people thelowestlevel mentioned started from other courses. The people on your course will start at the same as you and the ones I am aware of wont arrive until early - mid October.

Good news! So Ireland, expect my arrival on appr. 20th October:ok:Thanks to everyone for the help:O

Ta failte romhat

Does anyone know if the people selected for Dublin will be doing all their training in Dublin or will it be at the college in Shannon.

Cheers

maith an fear:ok:

Just trying to learn something about country I am going to move:O As far as I know it is a great country with a great culture and friendly people. Hope you guys working at Shannon won't regret taking me into your team:ok:

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