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IAA ATC Positions

Old 12th Jun 2008, 07:10
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IAA ATC Positions

Months of debate.....

Positions advertised.....

CVs submitted.....

Competition closed.....


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Old 12th Jun 2008, 10:05
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Did you receive any correspondance from IAA HQ?
If so, from who?
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Old 12th Jun 2008, 21:26
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Are you guys talkihng about direct entry experienced controller positions or the ab initio ones?
Experienced postitions still available, ab initio's...there were 32 of them started in March this year.
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Old 12th Jun 2008, 21:34
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Considering the IAA only advertised in one edition of Flight International, I'm suprised you saw it. It's seems like they are not too interested in looking for direct entries and only put the ad up to placate the staff. A crock of s*** if ever you saw one.
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Old 12th Jun 2008, 21:49
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Well i think it was in more than one edition of flight international-two editions maybe

It does appear that they were not too interested in spreading the word about 14-16 full time permanent and pensionable jobs hiring guys who are pre-trained and qualified. Maybe the IAA want to spend the extra cash on students who 1)can be moulded as the want! 2) pay them less and with much worse pension entitlements and then start looking to screw the rest of staff after that.

But over 50 CV's were received which is encouraging. If you haven't received any confirmation of your application pick up the phone and start asking questions-after all the IAA does stuff things up every now and again!!!!.
And anyone who is flying thru Iaa airspace these days is quite likely to hear canadian,aussie and ruskie accents on the freq's.

Good to hear.
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Old 14th Jun 2008, 22:37
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How wrong you are.......

Over 100,yes 100 applications received for the direct entry positions.9 contract controllers have been accepted,with the applications for the permanent positions currently being accessed.32 ab initio trainees are currently in training.There are also numerous retirees that have been re-hired as instructors,thus releasing operational ATCO's back into the live enviornment.
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Old 15th Jun 2008, 08:57
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A few days ago Ireland said NO to Lisbon.

If we could agree that all political issues are just money matters than you could read it as: As long as we have received money from others, EU was ok,now when we should give money to others than NO!

IAA also offers competitive package. Work till die. NO holidays,NO days off,NO rest....

ATCOs are NOt Polish plumbers. But you will treat them as such.

that is the reason why I say NO to Dublin,but
YES to Lisbon.
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Old 15th Jun 2008, 09:09
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What exactly are you on?
Have you been taking the blue pills again?
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Old 15th Jun 2008, 10:09
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Nothing especially, Just my thoughts why IAA could be wrong option in life. For qualified atcos,of course. Some other places seems to be better. Sorry if my post was confused. I had no such intention.
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Old 15th Jun 2008, 12:14
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If you communicate orally as you write, you'd fail the ICAO English requirements for most positions. Try the red pills.
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Old 15th Jun 2008, 13:57
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Just to put some perspective on IRLATCOs views, Maybe(only maybe)9 contract ATCOs have been accepted - source? but currently, there are only 4 contract controllers being trained in Shannon, 2 on OJT the other 2 still doing theory. I dont know about Dublin, but i would be very surprised if there were 5 training there now.

35 Cadets have just finished their basic theory. The first check outs in the live environment will be late Summer 2009, at the earliest.

The IAA seem to be dragging their heels on the permanent ATCO positions. Maybe it's something to do with the aviation downturn. Maybe they're stalling for time.Maybe they're hedging on not having to recruit 20 odd controllers on permanent contracts, and only expose themselves to 3 year deals only. Maybe i'm being cynical. Maybe i've worked for them long enough to know how they operate.
In any case, the staffing situation is not much better than before. I agree that re-hiring the retirees has helped. But the Cadets are now being split into groups of 6, meaning more instructors needed, so in nett terms there are still Operational Atcos being sent to the Training School to instruct. Tomorrow (June 16) will see at least 5 extra controllers from Operations taken off the roster, starting in the school.
I feel that all that has happened is that we are currently chronically understaffed, as opposed to having been terminally understaffed 3 months ago.
The overtime scheme has been undersubscribed - quelle surprise!
So the requirement for Staff asap is still there. Why is it taking so long?

Maybe I'm missing something, maybe i am cynical, maybe i'm right! hope not!
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Old 15th Jun 2008, 14:59
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If I had ever known English ,I would have never been an ATCO!

But here,English is not point . It was more about general conditions,society, company and locals as well.
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Old 15th Jun 2008, 19:53
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As far as I am aware there are no contract or direct entries in Dublin at the moment and no indication of when they are coming. That plus the fact that a lot of people are showing interest in postions overseas would suggest that staffing is gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.

IAA, where the f*** are those extra controllers that you promised.
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Old 16th Jun 2008, 07:02
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Gathered with the ATCs that Airservices promised
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Old 16th Jun 2008, 11:41
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Rumours that 3 contract staff will start training in Dublin in July.

Believe when we see.
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Old 17th Jun 2008, 08:42
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Direct Entry Numbers......

The figures I have at hand are 7 contract controllers for Shannon and 2 for Dublin.4 are training at the moment in Shannon and the rest will start within 8 weeks.These numbers may increase,especially for Shannon,as the months progress.To the best of my knowledge Dublin are adequately staffed now.Perhaps one of our colleagues from Dublin could try and debate that one for us.
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Old 17th Jun 2008, 09:11
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IRLATCO, stick to what you know. Dublin has been short staffed for years. We have less staff now than we had during the dispute. Four on maternity leave, three long term off the roster due illness, one ATCO doing roster even though he has a rating, a new roster which is being abused by management (and staff) already. Project work being farmed out to private companies because management cant release staff from the roster. Promised new staff nowhere to be seen. As usual Shannon gets everything first. Better Managers obviously. People asked to do overtime, even though they have not volunteered to do it. Covering Data Assistants sick leave. Station Managers who have no direction on how to work the overtime scheme. Dublin is bottom of the pile in the IAA even though it is the public face of the IAA. I could keep going but enough said for the moment. Calming down now.
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Old 17th Jun 2008, 09:41
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Now hear ye......

Exactly the answer that I was endeavoring to provoke.So you do indeed have the exact same problems as your Shannon colleagues.Well then lets debate them together and let those that frequent this forum know exactly how our beloved IAA have continued to give it to us up the shier.Our endeavors at the start of the year appear to have been fruitless.Its time yet again to rally the troops.Let the games begin.............
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Old 17th Jun 2008, 10:44
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Shannon controllers feel that Dublin controllers have better conditions. How long are Dublin's fatigue breaks ? for example. I think both stations are finding it tough. IAA dragging their heels in their half hearted efforts to recruit more staff. EB putting pressure on local management to make do with what few resources they have and hopefully we'll all muddle our way through another hectic summer keeping the profit margin's up.. We definitely need to be making more noise about the current situation, whether you work in Dublin Shannon or Funderland!!!
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Old 17th Jun 2008, 18:32
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Originally Posted by itsnotme
Shannon controllers feel that Dublin controllers have better conditions. How long are Dublin's fatigue breaks ? for example.
30mins, just like yours?

Of course, while Dublin staff were establishing the principle of fatigue breaks some of your colleagues were happy to sacrifice them in favour of Off Time. Can't have your cake and eat it...

Dublin is short staffed and under resourced, ask any of the staff transferred to Dublin with SNN approach how long they will wait for a second some cases SCPs in DUB have waited six years to obtain second ratings while former classmates in the school who remained in SNN obtained three.

One of the arguments advanced by HQ re. staffing in DUB is that with the transfer of 14 staff to man SNN approach we have enough staff in the station, yet nobody seems willing to provide the resources to train those staff in DUB positions. Meanwhile one DUB tower controller routinely provides leave in CRK and a number of the SNN approach contingent have to travel to CRK to remain valid in CRK approach.
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