@DelayReducer

I have been invited to sit my Stage 1 test however I have informed that I am putting my application on hold until July due to final year Uni exams. I am likely to go and do mine in Prestwick because from home (Manchester) they are pretty much equal distance, however, I expect it to be less busy on the roads heading up north rather than down south!

Regarding accomodation, I am probably going to book at a Premier Inn or anything local.

@Giuseppe

Yes all the tests take place on the same day.

Numeracy tests are based on Speed, Distance, Time calculations. GCSE level maths will suffice I'd say. It is the speed they are worried about in this test not your Post Doctoral thesis on the meaning of numbers ;)

Phil

I reccomend Fernbank Guest House for accomodation in Prestwick, good prices and very pleasant.

A doubt
 

You travel 12 miles. How much fuel will you need if you burn 150 kgs per hour, and are travelling at 90 mph?

I have a big doubt: my reasoning is the following:

Travelling at 60mph--> 12min for 12 miles

Travelling at 120mph--> 6 min for 12 miles

Yet, if I travelled at 90mph--> 9 min for 12 miles, shouldnt that be right?????, proportional calculations.


Well no, the solution is 20, which is 0,1333 (8minutes) X 150 and not 0,15 (9minutes).

Why is this???

If you travel 90mph, then you are travelling at 1.5miles per minute.
At this speed you will then cover 12 miles in 8 minutes as 1.5 goes into 12 8 times, hope this helps.

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Yeah, thanks it helps, I understand it better now, yet it still foxes me coz I would calculate many problems through proportionality but it seems as it's not always like that, so, when do I know if I can apply or not the correlative calculation?

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You travel 12 miles. How much fuel will you need if you burn 150 kgs per hour, and are travelling at 90 mph?

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when do I know if I can apply or not the correlative calculation?

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You have to look at the proportions slightly differently.

If you're going from 60 mph to 120 mph you are multiplying by 2. Therefore to calculate the change in minutes you multiply by (1/2) [2 x 1/2 = 1]. So 12 minutes x 1/2 = 6 minutes. This, as we know, is correct.

Therefore:

If you're going from 60 mph to 90 mph you are multiplying by 3/2. Therefore to calculate the change in minutes you multiply by (2/3) [3/2 x 2/3 =1]. So 12 minutes x 2/3 = 8 minutes.

I hope this makes sense.

exercise first stage NATS....please!!
 

Hi Guys....

here it's again Giuseppe:O
does anybody knows where can i find some exercise about Speed/distance and time??? (as the exercises above....)

Thanks in advance...;)

Speed Distance Time | OASC: RAF Officer and Aircrew Selection Centre :ok:

really thanks a lot Crazy Voyager...i will do these exercise :ok:
Anyway...if you or somebody else knows some more exercise..i would be really glad to receive further information about where could find them!!!;)

marco 888;

Hmm, yeah it does more or less help, at least I understand it a bit better now. The reason resides on the fact of it being inversely proportional and therefore the rule of three is not applicable. It's a bit of a mess anyway coz in order to what you are asked for, you apply one method of calculation or other, there's no one straight way of doing it. It's relative.

Thanks for the explanation.

Would it be worth starting a separate thread for resources and information about each stage. So that new people are not recycling old questions? It might help to have it all nicely laid out, and in a new place - perhaps entitled 'NATS Testing Guide' ?

Phil

If people used their initiative a little more they wouldn't have to recycle over old questions.

Just take out 5 minutes to look back a few pages until you find what you're looking for, it isn't difficult...

preaching to the converted my friend.. but perhaps a stickied topic would enable even the least initiative prone candidate to find what they need without necessarily recycling questions?

Of course this thread would remain useful for questions for which the answers were not covered in the 'guide'.

Phil

Hey,

out of curiosity are there any bearing questions in the numeracy test for stage 1? :) and how many questions of s/d/t are there? and what time limit?

Thank-you :)

N

math
 

You travel 611 NM. How much fuel will you need if you burn 60 kgs per hour, and are travelling at 705 kts? SOL:52 kgs


Any other faster way of resolving this that isn't doing 611/705= and multiply solution by 60...???????

Thanksss a lot!

Two aircraft travelling to Waypoint Z. One aircraft 75 miles away travelling 450 mph, second aircraft 50 miles away travelling 550mph. Who will get there quicker and by how much?

is the answer the second aircraft? as the first one would get there in about 10 minutes ( 1/6 = 10 mins) and the second one is 1/11 ( which I think is about 5.5 minutes?)

:'( I don't know

Hi all -

Just passed the online test and have the Phase 1 in April in Prestwick. Unfortunately I can't find the address given (Fresson Avenue) on any map! Can anyone give me directions?

Cheers

Hi Wonton.

I had the exact same problem finding the test centre...and actually missed the 9am exam and had to go to the 1pm exam. If your driving in to Prestwick airport from Glasgow go straight ahead at the 3 roundabouts....you'll think your going the wrong way as it looks like your entering an industrial estate...but your on the right path, keep looking right as your driving and you'll go through some traffic lights then eventually will see the 'NATS' sign (however keep a proper eye out for it as it's sorta camoflaged). Or, if you get the train....get a taxi from Prestwick Airport (I'm sure they will know where it is) shouldn't cost you too much either. Or...send me a pm with your e-mail address and I can send you the map that NATS sent me to find the centre once I missed my first exam...wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone lol.

All the best :)

Cheers gazb2, PM sent!

I imagine you wouldn't be expected to do this in a non-calculator test? As far as I'm aware the method you used would be the only way after simplifying. 611/705 can be simplified to 13/15 as both are divisible by 47. Unless I'm mistaken; working that out without a calculator would be very difficult. It's simple enough to get to 52 Kgs from 13/15 x 60.

Well as far as I'm concerned problems like this one is what you get in the numerical test and you aren't allowed calculator. It quite bugs me coz I find that resolving problems like that one takes up more time than what you are expected to resolve problems in..

This is at least what I can interpret after reading threads, forums and different web pages. I guess you haven't yet done stage 1, right?

Is that directed at me? If so, I've done stage 1 before yes. And typically the questions are of this nature but can be divisible by an obvious number. I'd not expect to see numbers that in order to simplify, must be divided by 47.

Yeah, it was directed to yo. Thanks for your prompt reply. By saying that there were numbers divisible by an obvious, you mean?, not any bigger than? aprox...,How are you doing with stage 2?. I wish you luck, hope it goes ok.

does anybody know where it's possible to find some more exercises about Diagramming, Cubes/Spatial Reasoning???
Just because i think that the material in PDF is not enough!!!and i would prefer to find more exercises...:rolleyes:

Thanks a lot for helping me....:)

Hi everyone!

I will assist to Stage 1 the 8th of April in Prestwick and I will spend the night before there. If anyone want to meet there send me a PM.

luisjuan check your inbox, I sent you a PM a few days ago.

Good luck to everyone and hope to meet some of you soon.

Stage 1
 

I have been invited to Stage 1, but it isn't until MAY!!! What is up with that? Only Prestwick, are they no longer doing it down south? Oh well i guess you have to wait for the things you really want!

Seb

I have just completed the online test...should I have gotten confirmation (either by email or on the site) that it is completed? I just got redirected to the NATS home page...

At the moment I'm still waiting to do stage 1 in June but I previously got to stage 3. I can't give a definitive answer on what multiples to expect but I'd be very surprised to see something as difficult as the example you have given.

There is more demand for places in the south; so you usually have to wait a little longer.

I managed to get a date for stage 1 for 17 June last week. I imagine all the places had been taken up by the time you had been invited to take stage 1. Only the 17th and 24th June were available at the time.

When you complete the test I don't think you get a confirmation email. The same happened to me last week and I had an invite to stage 1 the following day. At first I was a little worried because there was no indication that I'd completed the test. If you are worried about anything then just send them an email.

Thanks Marco.

I have spoken to someone from NATS and they are only using Prestwick for the time being. I am gonna go North then, just wish it was earlier. I too got to Stage 3 last year!

I did the online test last night and got the email this morning!

Seb

You travel 31 NM. How much fuel will you need if you burn 6 kgs per minute, and are travelling at 62 kts?

I am genuinely so confused, may be it's the time of the night and I am tired. So thought I'll ask for help from lovely ppruners;)

N

reaching prestwick centre
 

If anyone have tests in prestwick in the morning and going by train donn forget to take some local taxi numbers. U wud find it difficult to get taxi frm there coz its a dual carriageway where u get off frm train. The airport is just opposite but there wudnt be any taxi in the early morning.

In this case we need to work out the time it takes to travel 31 NM if you're travelling at 62 kts. 31/62 = 1/2 Therefore 1/2 x 60 = 30 minutes.

The amount of fuel burned is 30 x 6 = 180 kg of fuel.

Yeah a friend is heading to Prestwick to do his Stage 1 next month - I passed the online test in January and immediately booked on Stage 1 at Swanwick on 17th June (9am) as the only other date was in May is when I'm away on holiday.

Still - gives me time to do plenty of S/D/T calculations and generally get my mental arithmetic back up to scratch.

May see you there Marco! I'm sure you'll breeze through the 3 stages this time fella :)

sambatc:
So sorry to read your stage 3 news :( but your attitude is absolutely BRILLIANT :ok: go for it again next year, you'll fly through stages 1 and 2 now you know exactly what they are, and stage 3 should go great as you have that amazing feedback and you know what is expected of you/what they're looking for! :)
May I ask, how many units did you visit before your interview? I have just selected a stage 3 date on May 26th so I have enough time to visit quite a few units I hope!! How useful were the visits, i.e. did anything in the interview come up that these visits helped to answer?

Anyone else have stage 3 on May 26th??? :)

dice
 

Regarding the dice test of stage 1, what types of dice are they? (just normal dice: black pips, complex pips, arrows, coloured sides, symbols...)

Hi everyone,

First of all, think you for this great forum with a lot of good advice very helpful.
I'm from france and I have some problems to find out which exam is equivalent to your GCSE. I have got the A-level but I haven't got any english certificate.
Do I need to take one? and in this case which one?

Thanks a lot :)

Get in contact with HR and they will help you out. They took a look at my Swedish grades and within a few hours I had a mail telling me they were good enough for them.

If you go all the way through they will need a certificate that you acctually have those grades (not sure if it has to be translated by an official translator etc) but to apply it's enough to send an email listing your grades and they have some paper they compare it to.

I've already sent emails to them but they didn't answer me, I will try again.
Anyway thanks

hii guys im currently studying maths at a level and want to apply for nats training to become an ACTO...could someone please tell me stage by stage what the procedure is and elaborate on the stages assessment please

thank you