because you are not a native speaker and in my opinion, your english is not that good that you could judge other people because of their english skills.

but that is my own opinion.

No...i'm not native speaker...but i try to do my best...and i hate people who doing nothing and pay for exams, and have good marks.....especially for subjects, which are very important for ATC job....

Hi everybody!

As I try to be an ATCO, I read everything I can find.
I was reading your argument (actually, more or less I ran trough the whole topic), and I need to tell you, both sides have their own right.

I accept, that you are able to improve your skills, but not unlimited. Trough training you can reach your own limit, which is, however, born. It's almost like having ear for music. If you do have it, you can be better, because you have a basic to build on. If you dont't, well, there is nothing to do.

That is exactly the conception, I based my preparation on. I knew, I don't use my brain enough, as my current work doesn't need it, so I played puzzle and other logical games, just to bring myself into sharp condition.
It worked, I passed FEAST I in my country.
Next week I go to DART, and to tell the truth, I'm a little bit afraid, and very excited :)

multiple events test
 

Hello. I am taking the exam in about a month. Eurocontrol. I am practising on skytest and was practising on feasttest.com before it became unavailable. The 4 screens are numbered differently in these two and it is very confusing. If anyone took the test, can you please tell me how the screens are numbered?

hellow , i am new here , can you tell meu where have you been practicing ?some test or something please i really need some help here:sad:

I suggest you read the previous posts!!!
@ Mods - I think this is going round in circles, maybe it is time to close it down :eek:

Close it down ??!!?? :eek::eek::eek:

What if someone is desperate to find info on where,how,or when he/she should train and - let's not forget - on WHY it could be beneficial to do so ...
or not :ugh:

There could still be a question to be asked:E

Not too surprised the success rate has gone down the drain when I read the posts on here :cool:

Close it down , please , Close it down...

Especially as Eurocontrol aren't recruiting for at least 18 months!! :sad:

thank you , I "ll do so :)

Exactly - if potential candidates are so brainless as to not to be able to read a forum and accept advice, what chance have they got.....

DART test
 

Hello everyone,
I practiced SDM(Strip Display Management) test for about 1 hour in skytest.com and i found it easy, even in the hard levels. I also tried DART which is so different from SDM but i found it difficult and I stopped. The problem was that I couldn't set the correct heading to a/cs so it was difficult to manage them. I recently heard that in second phase of the actual feast test the SDM test is now replaced by DART. I am very disappointed because i was hoping for the SDM. I don't understand why everybody say that SDM is difficult and DART is easy, for me it's the opposite. Can anybody explain me about changing the heading (find the correct heading to pass the checkpoints)? I assume the heading is based on the a/c you control, so its quite difficult to find the correct heading from the first attempt. Should I wait for the a/c to get near the checkpoint and then change the heading?

stop practicing and read this thread.

the instructors will answer all your questions before you start with the test.

Feast I - passed
 

Congratulations to all Cypriots that past FEAST I - i passed and i am happy because i followed the instructions that eurocontrol send and also what some atcos here like BeT where instructing, and its true - No practice would ever help me to pass Feast test - you either can follow the brain wave or not - some tests were so fast that i thought that they were trying to fry my brain :O
Wishing good luck to everyone going for DART and to believe to ourselves - because even if you have it but you are the leader of negativity - it will not help at all.

feast test
 

I passed the feast test and now I am getting ready for DART. Andriko, first of all congrats for your success on part1. You passed with no practice at all?? I practiced at feast.com, just to at least get an idea of what to expect. And I passed. I found the tests slightly more difficult and with a few differences.

I keep reading in this forum that practicing will not get you anywhere and stuff like that and I was wondering, how come you guys are so sure that it's either "you have what it takes or not", when Eurocontrol itself allows you to retake the exams after initial failure?

Paraskevoula - Thanks and Congrats to you too. The reality of how my brain worked was that i know is a very stressful and demanding job and i want to see if i just can do it without trying too much because i had many positions that were stressful in the past. The question is even if you pass DART and you get selected, if you are willing to make so many sacrifices e.g i will see my income going down if i follow this job.

so you really think,taking feast for one time within two years is practicing?

if yes,i dont want to know how many years you have to wait until you can take the test.

feast
 

You go on and on preaching how some people are born with the abilities required to become controllers. And i ask you, if eurocontrol thought that was the case, then wouldn't a failure be a pretty good indicator that you simply don't have what it takes? Why do they allow you to retake the exams?
You are all very narrow minded. You should maybe consider the possibility that a person has the abilities but may simply need some practice to enhance what's already there. If there's nothing there, there's nothing to enhance. That simple.

As has been said (many, many times) - you have a certain opinion, we (as qualified controllers, working at Eurocontrol) have ours.

Ultimately, its impossible to say who is right and who is wrong.

However (and its a BIG however), we make comment and opinion after having gained relevant experience in the subject area...... you and others make comment based on emotion and a desire to succeed, which I suppose is perfectly understandable.

What is very frustrating is when after having given our advice (over and over and over again) individuals try to dismiss it as 'rubbish' or innacurate, yet have no meaningful basis to do so. Dont confuse your emotions with reality.

We gain nothing by posting on here, in fact we only stand to lose - our advice is well intentioned and will hopefully allow others to join us in a career we love. When the advice of 'dont practice' is given; its not to upset you, or counteract you in some way, or to make an argument. Its simply the BEST advice.

On a more basic level when individuals appear on the thread and ask the same question for the 1000th time, it becomes tiresome and annoying. If people cant be bothered to read or research, then this is not the career for you.

On an even more basic level, it looks like Eurocontrol are putting a semi-permanent halt on training (3yrs or so) - so none of you will be joining us anyway........:\

Thanks for the advice. You are so kind. You have your opinion, i have mine.
Yet you did not answer my question. Does eurocontrol think that within 2 years a person magically gains the abilities to be an air traffic controller thus he is able to retake and pass the exams? If you fail now, you will fail after 2 years if you dont have what it takes right? So why do they allow you to take feast again?
Its a simple question really, I'm surprised you don't get it. As an atc you are not as sharpminded as i thought. Wow! I may have a chance as well after all!!

Unfortunately they dont allow me to reply in this forum. Anw Paraskevoulla dont have arguments with them. My opinion Is that you passed the test because you have what it takes for Feast I. I cant believe that someone with practice can trick that bombarding of questions especially in the last part.
BeT - we have our own school since we have many smart and successful Atcos. Eurocontrol is only providing the tests. So yes we are not joining you - we are joining us :)