Dont' know about the salaries, but there's no way that you can get in (E)Spain... even the spanish controllers at Eurocontrol don't make it in there ( wihout a university degree ).

You need to have a university degree, and speak Spanish fluently. They have a language test that they make so difficult, a non-native won't make it.

The Spanish guys at Euro, are all in the university for some course to fulfill the first need, and obvioulsy, they will pass the language test.

The conditions are appearantly the best in the world, salary and time-wise...hence the guys over at Euroc. want to go back to Spain.

But, I hope I'm wrong and that you can find a hole in the net. Did you have any contact with people over in Spanish ATC ?

I have good memories visiting a Spanish ACC 7-8 years ago.

I was warmly welcomed, the people were very friendly
(also to each other), the breaks could be enjoyed as a team
underneath a lemon tree. And yes the salaries were somewhat
abundant. The work environment was calm despite the fact
that there were moderate to heavy traffic flowing on the
"older tubes". They were going to move to a new facility
within the same year. I must say that the gym there was
fantastic! I do not know were tey joking, when they said
they were planning for a pool outside...
The restaurant they had had waitresses,
the food was very tasty. Work and breaks were relaxed.
The way it should be.

Thank you Spain and Spanish ATCOs for good and warm memories!

They have been able to do it.

True, collegue of mine visited the centre, and was amazed by the working environment. Especially the restaurant... all compared to our own wonderfull :E cantine and facilities at Maastricht UAC :suspect:

Seems like a great deal, warm weather, good conditions, amazing salary etc... I guess that's the reason why they don't have their door open for every ATCO that wants to join. If it would be easy, I'd be there tomorrow :\

Yup OscarTango.

ATCOs heaven on earth.

And the point is not the salary or the amount
of ATCOs on the seats.

It was the friendly and balanced atmosphere.
People can be friendly to each other.
I've seen it with my bare eyes.:ooh:

You can come to Atlanta.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/popup?id=3719760

The trash cans catch the rain..until the ceiling falls out. In the control room.

Pics in the above link.

ISaid
 

Don't worry buddy, you're not alone. London ACC Swanwick uses buckets rather than trash cans in heavy downpours. We have about three big leaks, but the real worry is a huge cracked portion of the Glass Roof.......been broken for years.....I always carry a bible in my work-bag.

I truly believe that all ATCOs deserve the best working conditions
and the best equipment available. And the best and most
positive workmates. And the best managers.

And the best and most relaxed beaches with the softest sand and...

Short Approach?, is Copenhagen ACC recruiting foreign Area controllers?

Yes. But you gotta learn the language, as all internal coordination and com. with local VFR's is done in Danish

This is just on the verge of "off topic"

The spanish ATCOs might have shifted their thinking
away from the things that they do not want
to the very things that they want.

I heard a story about an ANSP manager who visited the Portuguese ANSP.
He asked the Portuguese hosts, that isn't it somewhat a challenge, when
the salaries of the ATCOs are so good.

The reply showed very good understanding that we really live in abundance:
"Not a problem my friend. We raise our salaries also!"

So the wisdom from the wise from our past is:
"What you resist, persist"
By Carl Jung.

Although there is quite a lot good info in the net, be
careful about those "bits&bytes" you do not want.

So the advice can be said also this way:
"Think and focus only on the outcome that you want."

Maybe you can find more info via the Spanish ATC-forum: http://www.limaeco.net

Switzerland
 

Monthly sallary in Switzerland for an ACC controller with 10 years experience is about 15.000 Swiss Francs = about 10.000 Euros (gross).

The deductions are; about 2.000 Sfr pension, taxes about 2.500 Sfr, private health insurance about 200-400 Sfr.

This adds up to a net sallary of about 10.000 Swiss Francs = about 6.500 Euros.

However, the cost of living here is quite high with everything from housing to big macs...

Nevertheless, you're very well of with the payment.

Cheers!

Greetings, salutations, a nice cold beer after work, and warm heart to share it with to my fellow Controllers in Europe.

Just thought I'd pop this thread back up there and ask the controllers of Avinor (Norway), Naviair (Denmark) and Aena (Spain) what their current pay and conditions are (?). I'm most interested in your salary, tax rate and rate for overtime.

I'm not in the market to come over but am rather exasperated with my employer and am thinking of a few years in Dubai or leaving the business and want to find 1 (just one) ANSP that treats its traffic separating employees really well and your respective ANSPs came to mind.

I really should go to an IFATCA conference one day and meet you lot in person.

Thanks from the Antepodes!

Bill Woodfull, "Stumped" by your Question
 

Why are you interested in European salaries if you are contemplating Dubai?:confused: If you haven't already applied to Dubai I think you've missed the Bus. Abu Dhabi {APP and TWR} or UAE Centre {Area, ARR and lots of sequencing, and loads of overfliers} suggest you get your skates on or you'll be "caught'' short.:O

As-salaam alaykum Rule 3,

I understand that one of those ANSPs (and possible the French) operate under attractive T+Cs and I want to poke someone in the ribs locally and say 'look what they are getting from their altruistic employer' etc. No cunning plan I'm afraid.

Don't speak Norwegian, Danish or Spanish so no chance of a job for me (I can however order a bottle of wine or a glass of beer in French without getting a punch on the beak).

The tattered and aged copy of 'Flight' I was reading in my private place yesterday sugeested that Al Maktoum Int airport(JXB - formerly Jebel Ali World something or another) has only just finished its first of six planned parrallels, has almost completed its freight facility, is working on the first of its terminals and the new swish 90m control TWR and ATC complex isn't complete yet.

The said publication may have missed the mark but with DXB staying open and the new facility not yet running and the extraordinary ammount of traffic it expects to move as it ramps up over the next 10 years, I'm guessing 100ish extra headsets at least.

Please tell me that those extra bodies have not already turned up and you have 8 dozen sitting around playing cribbage in the rest/crew room?

Bill Woodfull
 

Jebel Ali is like Dubai,:{ a :mad:work in progress.:ugh: It is a completely separate contract, and I believe several Ozmates:ok: have thrown their "hats in the ring". Still room for an old "Baggy Green":D

Rule 3
 

Good to hear mate!

I understood that DXB courses were full but this JXB thingy is such an unknown quantity and picking up a dozen dozen (not a typo - I meant 144) Tower, Approach and Enroute controllers from the coin operated training facilities that are a little on the blink lately from an employers perspective - I think I should give my employer the final chance this Christmas.

As long as I don't have to cross that cad Mr Jardine or the false platitudes of Plum Warner anymore, I may grace your shores...we never know.

I hear you are getting some good ex-baggy green but solid top and middle order types your way in the next few months.:D

I've got a brother in law working at Torrejon, Madrid as an area controller. Fantastic T's and C's, own golf course, swimming pool, rest facilities better than some hotels i've stayed in.....17000 euros a month, with 14 or 15 months salary I believe. Nice work if you can get it. Puts my lowly Captains' salary to shame. BTW, I saw some of the ATC tests and failed the English language test ( I'm a native English speaker)

hunterboy
 

Are you serious?

Thanks for the info mate, 'tis what makes pprune what it is.

Thats the sort of numbers I have heard in days gone by. The fact that no Spaniard ever applies for foreign gigs doesn't help our info gathering.

If true Spanish friends, good on you!!

FrenchATCO,

Two words -- George Bush.

There is no contract -- no signed agreement. There are only "Imposed Work Rules."

It is illegal to strike or engage in any type of job action for U.S. Government employees. That is the reason President Reagan was allowed to fire all the PATCO controllers in 1981.

If you find it hard to understand from over there, imagine being over here. :sad: The only legal recourse an individual has is to retire or quit. Controllers are doing both in record numbers.

I retired in 2006 when the Imposed Work Rules were implemented. My pay was roughly $150,000 (per year) the year I retired -- after 25 years at the Atlanta ARTCCenter.

Don Brown