Zasieki1, the answer to your question depends on who your prospective employer will be.
Any further info available - i.e. destination unit, position being offered, whether licence conversion required, etc?
P.M. me if you wish

tax, medical insurance and general cost of living is a killer throughout Europe is it not??

Tax in Belgium is up to 40 percent, Medical is very cheap ( 12,50 euro's month ), cost of living, well...houseprices are definatly on the rise.

Let's say an average income is about 1500 euro net...

So, as ATCO's we're really well off. Belgocontrol people are subject to the national income tax, Eurocontrol people are not ( thank God )...for Eurocontrol, internal Taxes,pension rights and medical amounts up to 30 percent of the gross income. Last year, I had around 105.000 euro gross, which left me with 65.000 net.

I'd also like to know the figures in Ireland.

hey

with IAA the money is good between 80k - 93k EUROS for ATCO up to Team Leader..

but.....

IF you get to work with one of the local county airports, that is privately owned, & NOT RUN by IAA,, expect MUCH MUCH LESS!!

regards:ok:

Thanks prowler. I guess those numbers are the gross pay - how much can one expect to have after taxes etc? I'm not sure if I understood correctly, but is 80k the starting salary for a new controller?? And is there much or any difference between tower and ACC-controllers?

I qualified as an atco in Ireland in 1999 and I made 69k last year, about 18k of that went on income tax and 2k on pay related social insurance. I also pay 1% of gross income for loss of licence insurance. You also have to take pension and health insurance out of this gross amount. It works out roughly 4000 net per month excl health care. However do remember when looking at these figures that Ireland is not a cheap place to live

Hi ,

here is the salary in French ACCs at the beginning of 2007 after the last agreement regarding the european licence:
ATCO fully qualified in any of the 5 ACCs in France : 6400 euros per month (before taxes cuts) at the time of the qualification and 9200 euros per month at the end of the carreer.
How much does it make in net salary ??
As we are in the civil service , we have a 15 % cut on these ammounts (social tax, retirement....) so 6400 becomes 5300 e/month and 9200e becomes 7800e/month . These figures are what we call "net salary" in France BUT after that depending on the number of people of your family we have the most important cut which is the "income tax". For a single it will represent 1000e per month for the "5300e/month net salary" so finally the REAL NET will be 4300e/month. For a single at the end of the carreer it will be 7800 - 1800 = 6000 e/month (the real NET salary).

Pay Vancouver ACC, Canada
 

I'm not sure if anyone is interested in Canadian pay, but here it is.

We have a 10 year pay scale, it takes 11 years to get to the top. Our pay is made up of salary plus an allowance depending on the specific ACC.

I'm in my fourth year, and make 95,000 CAD (85,500 US) plus a 15,000 CAD Allowance (13,500 US) for a total of 110,000 CAD (99,000 CAD). This does not include eveningshift allowance ($9 per shift)/night shift allowance($16 per shift), holiday pay or instructor pay ($8.50 per hour). Monthly gross of 9,166 CAD (8,250 US).

Taxes vary greatly across Canada, depending on the province of residence. Also deducted from our gross pay is 9.5% pension, employment insurance, medical insurance (very little), life insurance and union dues. My take home pay (before overtime) is about $6000 CAD (5,400 US) per month.

We have lots of overtime available, it is paid at double-pay of our base salary (doesn't include our unit allowance). It is about $100 CAD per hour extra.

We work at 36 hour week, 26 days that we can book off as holiday per year (this goes up after year 8 and 15 I believe) and 15 sick days per year.

If this looks attractive to anyone, Nav Canada is always hiring! They would prefer having more staff so they don't have to pay us overtime! Most centres are short-staffed, but here in Vancouver most of us don't actually work short staffed because there are enough people willing to work overtime to fill in the holes.

@kiloquebec: just a question: Do I have to be a canadian citizen or am I eligible to apply as a German? By the way, I am TWR (RADAR) rated....

You don't have to be Canadian. There is a section on the Nav Canada website pertaining to recruitment of foreign controllers

http://www.navcanada.ca/NavCanada.as...rs\default.xml

I know here at YVR ACC we work with guys from Australia, UK, Singapore, Lebanon, Russia etc. The more the merrier.

The Nav Canada website currently says they are only recruiting foreign controllers for high traffic tower positions only (Most likely Vancouver, Calgary or Toronto) ... But I know the ACCs are short staffed as well.

KQ

Question for Americans ATCOs : is it really true that you have a new scale pay since avout 2006 and that new ATCOs don't receive the same pay in comparison with colleagues working at the same facility ! ???
If it's true how could that happened ?
Thanks for your answers

Irish salaries
 

If you include everything for a gross Irish salary in IAA all allowances etc. including option to take cash for public holidays instead of extra leave:
You will be on a 20 point scale and expect to earn
approx 55,000 euros at the bottom and 110,000 at the top.
that's 4600 euros/m to 9500/m gross

Tax is bad. Roughly 1st 20,000 at 21% everything after that at 42% with a credit of 2,000 against the final amount.

You are also paying 0.5% to union, 1% to loss of licence protection

Middle of the scale your net salary is 4500euros/m
But if you add in mortgage(expensive), utilities(expensive), life insurance(expensive)....you get the idea!.........
expect to have a disposable income of about 1000-1500euros/m but that's ok cos you have practically no chance to spend it as you can't get a bloody day off!:\

The FAA changed the Pay scales in 2006. They lowered the pay bands by as much as 35%. Controllers that were already above the band got their pay frozen. New controllers work under the new pay rules. So in the top centers we do have senior controllers making over $172,000 while newly checked out controllers make less than $100,000.

Here we call it - discrimination.
Different salary for the same position.
If I understood properly.
Some difference could exist,like 0.5 % per year of service but 50 % is really motivated for youngsters.

Thanks Slatch,

it's really unbelievable !such a difference for the same job ! How could your main union Natca have agreed to sign that ???You never thought about going on strike or perhaps controllers in Natca are all seniors so knew they had nothing to lose ... Seems very strange from here in France.
Thanks for your answer

On the same track,
We(my union and associated ATCA) didn't accept the difference between ATCOs with university degree bachelor,MBA or DBA level,as well ,either connected or not with aviation and secondary school ATCOs.

As long as they working the same job- the same salary.

Things change at management level but there is also( not in my company) in surrounding ANSPs cases that qualified ATCO with secondary education earns more money than someone with university degree. Why?
Because, union said: If you work as an ATCO 12 or 15 years,than you may choose: ATCO salary with 15(12) years of experience or salary as someone with university degree. In most cases people opt for the first case. salary is better,definitely. Also if you move to some lower position you may retain your ATCO salary.
I also have in mind that here in Europe people are more concerned and prefer social type of state. USA is more profit-without love.

NATCA did not agree to the new pay policy. Federal law stated that if the FAA and NATCA could not come to agreement and Congress did not take any action (which they did not) the FAA's last offer becomes the agreement. NATCA has been fighting it with little sucess.

A mid-career ATCO in Copenhagen TWR/APP or ACC will make around €10.000 a month. Tax is a bitch (50%) and cost of living among the highest in the world, so we are still not smiling. :cool:

Spanish Salaries???????
 

Hi, Can anyone tell me what the Salaries and working conditions in Spain are. As a Radar Approach controller in Australia, I am looking at moving to Spain in the future.
If anyone is interested the Salaries here converted to Euros are: 43,977 to 88,701 plus superannuation. Overtime is payed at 185%, Average Tax rate on the top salary is about 32%, a litre of petrol is 0.88 Euros and a Big Mac is 1.58 Euros.
Any other info on Spanish ATC (like if you need a European passport) would be much appreciated.