Pay ballot result
Pay ballot result
Joined: Dec 2001
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From: Northwest
On leave and knew the result was supposed to be announced at 2.00 this afternoon, what better place to find the result than on the union's web site............ but no - nothing as usual.
I thought a website was for communication - I must be wrong. Better getting the news off the rumour mill that is these pages. Thanks guys for keeping me updated.
Shame about the result, perhaps we should have taken a leaf out of those nice firemen chaps who believe they're worth 40% extra to get them back on an even footing after 25 years of below average increases (sound familiar?)
I thought a website was for communication - I must be wrong. Better getting the news off the rumour mill that is these pages. Thanks guys for keeping me updated.
Shame about the result, perhaps we should have taken a leaf out of those nice firemen chaps who believe they're worth 40% extra to get them back on an even footing after 25 years of below average increases (sound familiar?)
Joined: Mar 2002
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From: Scotland
Well, friends - and I mean this most sincerely - where the h**l were the FOUR HUNDRED or so who could not be bothered to return their ballot papers ???? Don't complain that your union does nothing for you - if you're not prepared to support it or take an interest in such a ballot. I, for one, thank the team who managed to get us the improved figure on the table.
Cheers guys !!
Cheers guys !!
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From: LONDON
An acceptable start in the revaluing of the workforce I'd say and thank you to the union team who managed to get the ball rolling. The next round, beginning late next year, needs to keep it rolling. We must be equally assertive so that by 2005 we are valued correctly.
Point 4
Point 4
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From: Here to Eternity
Don't wish to rain on the parade of the ATCOs among you who are now looking forward to a bit of a rise and some back-pay...
Since the engineers and PCS are still in dispute with management, have yet to come to a deal and the TU side still have a unanimity agreement... I don't imagine you'll be getting the rise you voted in favour of until the other parties are resolved and accepted via ballot too.
So now it seems the roles are reversed...
Since the engineers and PCS are still in dispute with management, have yet to come to a deal and the TU side still have a unanimity agreement... I don't imagine you'll be getting the rise you voted in favour of until the other parties are resolved and accepted via ballot too.
So now it seems the roles are reversed...
Joined: Sep 2001
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From: England
I'm glad we're all happy and don't have to go on strike now we've got an extra 0.5% this year. Congratulations to all those who voted yes; those extra months waiting for an extra tenner a week (before tax) have been really worth it. We really stuck it to 'em.
Watchdog Delta Hotel
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From: here but there in 6 years
bit of a strange attitude zero
pcs and the eng's yes vote was on the basis that there was no more money in the pot
tere obviously was as we atco's got more
it therefore made thier votes accepting the original deal null and void
so if they don't get an acceptable offer and vote no then the previous post is correct
back to square one remember all branches have to vote yes we are still one union i think you may be getting ahead of yourself
pcs and the eng's yes vote was on the basis that there was no more money in the pot
tere obviously was as we atco's got more
it therefore made thier votes accepting the original deal null and void
so if they don't get an acceptable offer and vote no then the previous post is correct
back to square one remember all branches have to vote yes we are still one union i think you may be getting ahead of yourself
Joined: May 2002
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From: Bracknell
I hear that the extra money that now has to be found to fund the pay rise will come from existing budgets. Now if the ATCOS were to give up all that paper and pens used on flight strips it might be affordable!!
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From: Here to Eternity
The fact is PCS and Engineers were right to believe there was no more money in the pot... There isn't!! They don't have the money to pay for the increased ATCO offer. Simple as that.
As mentioned they have said it will be funded from existing budgets. What this really means is that they will fund it by cutting costs/jobs/conditions.
The PCS and Engineers ballots were set aside as soon as an offer on basic pay was made to ATCOs. So we all have to be balloted again, once management give us an equally acceptable offer. So don't hold your breath.
It always pays to read the small print....
As mentioned they have said it will be funded from existing budgets. What this really means is that they will fund it by cutting costs/jobs/conditions.
The PCS and Engineers ballots were set aside as soon as an offer on basic pay was made to ATCOs. So we all have to be balloted again, once management give us an equally acceptable offer. So don't hold your breath.
It always pays to read the small print....
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From: UK
I think it seriously dumb to try and force a 'full value' pay rise when the company is struggling. It's no good whining about ppp. We have got it and the trick is to use it to our advantage.
The time to wield 'the big stick' is in two or three years time when traffic growth is booming across the pond ('cause that's where the big bucks come from) and every one is flush with cash.
As ATCO's we have to face two realities:
A/ If we want to have a bigger slice of the pie we have to ditch the idea of unanimity with other unions. I am not advocating this; I think its a reprehensible thing, but I bet we get told or even offered this by management at some time in the near future. So do we just look after ourselves, or be the raft to which grades cling?
B/ The economic rose tinted glasses that most units have been using to view the world with have gone for ever, and the way management have run 'real' contracts like London City and Cardiff will be the way every unit will be faced with. The unlimited en-route pot is over. Us in Airports will still be the poor relations, despite the fact that we are the ones currently keeping the ship afloat.
The future is not Orange (let alone rosy) any more. Get used to it Big Boys; the Perch and Minnow society has been used to this for years and now it's everyone elses turn to join.
Does anyone really think it would be better State run? You ask any Airport employee. They know what's been happening to them over a period of years. Now it's the turn for en-route.
The time to wield 'the big stick' is in two or three years time when traffic growth is booming across the pond ('cause that's where the big bucks come from) and every one is flush with cash.
As ATCO's we have to face two realities:
A/ If we want to have a bigger slice of the pie we have to ditch the idea of unanimity with other unions. I am not advocating this; I think its a reprehensible thing, but I bet we get told or even offered this by management at some time in the near future. So do we just look after ourselves, or be the raft to which grades cling?
B/ The economic rose tinted glasses that most units have been using to view the world with have gone for ever, and the way management have run 'real' contracts like London City and Cardiff will be the way every unit will be faced with. The unlimited en-route pot is over. Us in Airports will still be the poor relations, despite the fact that we are the ones currently keeping the ship afloat.
The future is not Orange (let alone rosy) any more. Get used to it Big Boys; the Perch and Minnow society has been used to this for years and now it's everyone elses turn to join.
Does anyone really think it would be better State run? You ask any Airport employee. They know what's been happening to them over a period of years. Now it's the turn for en-route.
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From: Here to Eternity
Billy Boy - a small point... but still...
Before PPP this company was is an extrememly healthy financial state. All our creditors were paid well within time and the government got a nice little return from the profits of a "non profit making company"
In one day you land that company with £800m of fresh new debt and there's not really any way of avoiding a struggle. So in that sense I don't think management can be blamed for mis-managing the finances... although they CAN be blamed for rolling out the red carpet to the government and trying to convince us all it really was a good idea!!
Before PPP this company was is an extrememly healthy financial state. All our creditors were paid well within time and the government got a nice little return from the profits of a "non profit making company"
In one day you land that company with £800m of fresh new debt and there's not really any way of avoiding a struggle. So in that sense I don't think management can be blamed for mis-managing the finances... although they CAN be blamed for rolling out the red carpet to the government and trying to convince us all it really was a good idea!!