Monday Pay Talks Deadline.......
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Just got the lowdown on the improved offer. Pretty good going by the Prospect negotiators I have to say.
I reckon it could spell the end for the joint pay bargaining though... as all those in PCS and Prospect engineers who voted "yes" last time are not going to be happy that ATCOs will get a bigger increase on basic pay - as this doesn't really come under the remit of "addressing the ATCO sectional claim only"
More fun and games to come I think!!
I reckon it could spell the end for the joint pay bargaining though... as all those in PCS and Prospect engineers who voted "yes" last time are not going to be happy that ATCOs will get a bigger increase on basic pay - as this doesn't really come under the remit of "addressing the ATCO sectional claim only"
More fun and games to come I think!!
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Latest Offer
When you ladies have quite finished.... 
.[sorry for the insult to any real ladies]
. The latest offer is posted on teh NATS site. For all you non-NATS prunes, don't worry, you still earn more than us.....
.[sorry for the insult to any real ladies] . The latest offer is posted on teh NATS site. For all you non-NATS prunes, don't worry, you still earn more than us.....
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Dances -
Just looked at www.nats.co.uk
Nothing there!
Did you mean the 'Intranet'? If so how do/can you access it from a remote location?
Just looked at www.nats.co.uk
Nothing there!
Did you mean the 'Intranet'? If so how do/can you access it from a remote location?
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In addition to agreed rise...
ATCO pay spine points to be adjusted by: -
2% from 1 October 2002
1.8% from 1 December 2003
"adjusted"... like it!! Not "improved" or "increased" Wouldn't want the rest of the company thinking they were missing out!!
Some other bits and pieces that, to be honest, don't interest me a great deal.
ATCO pay spine points to be adjusted by: -
2% from 1 October 2002
1.8% from 1 December 2003
"adjusted"... like it!! Not "improved" or "increased" Wouldn't want the rest of the company thinking they were missing out!!
Some other bits and pieces that, to be honest, don't interest me a great deal.
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Given what was initially put on the table Prospect have done a good job and sorted out a decent pay rise.
Rumour has it though that our colleagues at Swanwick still don't think it's enough. A touch greedy perhaps...?
Rumour has it though that our colleagues at Swanwick still don't think it's enough. A touch greedy perhaps...?
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Surely nobody at Swanwick can seriously be suggesting that the thick end of 10% over two years ain't enough? Especialy when you take into account the other aspects of the deal. £500 per day for additional attendance? Where do I sign!
What exactly DO they want? I for one will accept this deal as it stands.
What exactly DO they want? I for one will accept this deal as it stands.
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I don't want to start a bun fight over this but I think a few points are being missed!
Yes 10% over two years is quite a good deal, however this is 9.7% over two years, of which you receive the equivalent of about an addional 2.65% within the two year period, due to the deferred payments. Yes you do receive 9.7% on basic in the end.
Also, this comes with strings attached, which was not part of the original aim. We all want rewarded for the job we already do.
Morale is so low at Swanwick (and not just in ATC), that most people wouldn't do O/T whatever the amount. Also, TOIL and accrued leave should be valued in accordance with the previous precedent set £820 per day plus inflation, and before anyone starts all units should be looking for this in the future when they get as bad as Swanwick is at present, believe me it is not too far away. Also, can we really do overtime whilst we are complaining about the screens and workload?
Use of non op days for op duties? this is why they were non op duties in the first place, because nobody wanted additional operational attendances. The next thing you know it will be compulsory OT then factored into basic pay at a lesser rate!
As regards the second 1.8% increase, call me a cynic, but in JAN2004, will this work in our favour for the next pay round. The management will say we have just had another 1.8% increase a month ago!
1261, if you are so keen, then why don't you come down to the sunny south coast and try your hand at Swanwick, where the houses are twice the price. You might then be able to afford one with all that overtime you would be doing, but you wouldn't have much of a life
Think twice before accepting!!!!!
Yes 10% over two years is quite a good deal, however this is 9.7% over two years, of which you receive the equivalent of about an addional 2.65% within the two year period, due to the deferred payments. Yes you do receive 9.7% on basic in the end.
Also, this comes with strings attached, which was not part of the original aim. We all want rewarded for the job we already do.
Morale is so low at Swanwick (and not just in ATC), that most people wouldn't do O/T whatever the amount. Also, TOIL and accrued leave should be valued in accordance with the previous precedent set £820 per day plus inflation, and before anyone starts all units should be looking for this in the future when they get as bad as Swanwick is at present, believe me it is not too far away. Also, can we really do overtime whilst we are complaining about the screens and workload?
Use of non op days for op duties? this is why they were non op duties in the first place, because nobody wanted additional operational attendances. The next thing you know it will be compulsory OT then factored into basic pay at a lesser rate!
As regards the second 1.8% increase, call me a cynic, but in JAN2004, will this work in our favour for the next pay round. The management will say we have just had another 1.8% increase a month ago!
1261, if you are so keen, then why don't you come down to the sunny south coast and try your hand at Swanwick, where the houses are twice the price. You might then be able to afford one with all that overtime you would be doing, but you wouldn't have much of a life
Think twice before accepting!!!!!
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I agree with Area52. This offer is just as crap as the initial offer. Don't management understand the words 'ONE year pay deal, NO STRINGS ATTACHED'. Even if its a 2 year deal, how about 5% each year, end of message. None of this, 'we'll give you this then, a little sweetner for the ATCO's then, bit more then....'. And yes, 1.8% just before the next battle commences, we're not that stupid. Overtime, I actually would LOVE to do overtime, and the price is very tempting, HOWEVER, get screwed. I really could do with the money, but I aint selling myself out now for it to become compulsary in 3 years time as it'll be a 'standard practice'. Where I could fit any in is another matter, all my free time is normally spent feeling totally crap trying to get fit for the next duty. I'm expecting that this will come back to a vote and that the union aren't stupid enough to accept it on our behalf, so as I, like many others down here can just say NO.
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You guys got paid £820 for TOIL? You have got to taking the p*$$. No wonder this company is "struggling financially". This explains why our previous pay rises have been rather small. Lets face it, in a "proper" privatised company you would be lucky to still have a job if you didn't put in the extra hours. We already get paid a decent salary, get loads of time off and get to have fun at work. No other job is like ours. Count yourselves lucky that we're on such a cushy number.
As for house prices being high in Southampton, you obviously haven't been to the capital of Scotland where prices are the highest outside of London.
As for house prices being high in Southampton, you obviously haven't been to the capital of Scotland where prices are the highest outside of London.
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'As for house prices being high in Southampton, you obviously haven't been to the capital of Scotland where prices are the highest outside of London. '
I might stop laughing sometime tonight, but I doubt it.
I might stop laughing sometime tonight, but I doubt it.
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5mb, so much to learn you have, young Jedi.
You don't have much to say about my other comments though do you? Proabably because the nail has been hit firmly on the head.
You don't have much to say about my other comments though do you? Proabably because the nail has been hit firmly on the head.
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Area 52;
Shoot that sounds like what we do over here all the time. There is no such thing as a non duty day if you are an operational controller. Unless you have put two of them to close together or on medication, you are going to get the honor of plugging in everyday that you are at work. You also get the honor of getting called for overtime quite often. Of course, that is why most of us all have answering machines at home and always left on <G>...
regards
Shoot that sounds like what we do over here all the time. There is no such thing as a non duty day if you are an operational controller. Unless you have put two of them to close together or on medication, you are going to get the honor of plugging in everyday that you are at work. You also get the honor of getting called for overtime quite often. Of course, that is why most of us all have answering machines at home and always left on <G>...
regards
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Thank you 5mb
As for X,
As a fellow scot, I can understand why you might enjoy a cushy number, good salary, fun at work and lots of time off. No double nights up and working to SCRATCOH limits in extremely busy traffic for you then I guess.
Nice work if you can get it and I would probably feel the same as you in your position.
However, as dear old NATS gave me no other options, I ended up at LATCC and subsequently Swanwick, where the picture is not quite as rosy as you appear to imagine. Ask anyone at SCATCC who has managed the old LATCC/SCATCC shuffle?
As for not knowing house prices in Edinburgh, I am well aware of these, however, you do not have to live in the capital when you work at SCATCC, and can commute to EGPH if you work there from not to far away.
Unfortunately, house prices in London are not the only problem in England, anything South of Oxford in a half decent area is not that much less than London, and a lot more expensive than the rest of the UK, with the odd exception.
For those who work at SCATCC, I believe your reps were also aiming for a similar figure of £820 for sector 31/33 trials and any subsequent TOIL, but it would appear that some are happy with £500 or even £250, perhaps you would like to inform management, I don't think so!
Round 1 to me I think
As for X,
As a fellow scot, I can understand why you might enjoy a cushy number, good salary, fun at work and lots of time off. No double nights up and working to SCRATCOH limits in extremely busy traffic for you then I guess.
Nice work if you can get it and I would probably feel the same as you in your position.
However, as dear old NATS gave me no other options, I ended up at LATCC and subsequently Swanwick, where the picture is not quite as rosy as you appear to imagine. Ask anyone at SCATCC who has managed the old LATCC/SCATCC shuffle?
As for not knowing house prices in Edinburgh, I am well aware of these, however, you do not have to live in the capital when you work at SCATCC, and can commute to EGPH if you work there from not to far away.
Unfortunately, house prices in London are not the only problem in England, anything South of Oxford in a half decent area is not that much less than London, and a lot more expensive than the rest of the UK, with the odd exception.
For those who work at SCATCC, I believe your reps were also aiming for a similar figure of £820 for sector 31/33 trials and any subsequent TOIL, but it would appear that some are happy with £500 or even £250, perhaps you would like to inform management, I don't think so!
Round 1 to me I think