Getting new ratings
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Getting new ratings
Hi all,
long time since my last message in here...
A colleague and I want to complete the full list of ratings in our licence (we have ADI,ADV,APS and ACS) in order to be suitable for hiring processes like the one going on in Spain but the courses we have found are a bit expensive.
The best offer is 4 weeks course for both APP and ACP (procedural approach and area) starting in March ending at the end of the month.
The more people in the course, the cheaper the licence will be.
We are talking about a total cost of €49K. So 5 students will pay less than 10K for the 2 extra ratings (less than 8K pounds).
Anyone interested?
long time since my last message in here...
A colleague and I want to complete the full list of ratings in our licence (we have ADI,ADV,APS and ACS) in order to be suitable for hiring processes like the one going on in Spain but the courses we have found are a bit expensive.
The best offer is 4 weeks course for both APP and ACP (procedural approach and area) starting in March ending at the end of the month.
The more people in the course, the cheaper the licence will be.
We are talking about a total cost of €49K. So 5 students will pay less than 10K for the 2 extra ratings (less than 8K pounds).
Anyone interested?
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From: ireland
The best offer is 4 weeks course for both APP and ACP (procedural approach and area) starting in March ending at the end of the month.
8 people each get 2 ratings after 4 weeks for GB£50,000 for everybody?
Currently have
ADI/ADV, Tower I/V
ACS area radar.
APS approach radar.
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So to be clear.
8 people each get 2 ratings after 4 weeks for GB£50,000 for everybody?
8 people each get 2 ratings after 4 weeks for GB£50,000 for everybody?
basically the total cost for getting APP and ACP is €49,000 (around 42,000 pounds). The cost per student is obtained depending on the number of students.
price per student = €49,000 / number of students
So in 4 weeks the students enrolling will get the 2 extra ratings (APP and ACP)
The company offering the course has said that they flexible with the dates.
Last edited by RiskyFowler; 5th January 2017 at 16:35.
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From: ireland
I have no interest but am slightly fascinated by what is proposed.
At various points I have held different ratings.
But never got one that I never held before in 4 weeks not to mention 2 ratings which I did not have in 4 weeks.
Also slightly confused as you intimate you currently exercise Aerodrome/Approach radar and Area radar ratings.
I would see the market for procedural approach as a step back in monetary terms for someone who holds a current APP Radar endorsement.
Also procedural area? very few places would use this bar the NAT I doubt anyone else in EU does.
Your logic to have a "full house" as it would make you more "employable" is slightly flawed.
From your other posts I assumed you work for NATS.
I believed that NATS Terminal and NATS Enroute were separate business.
I would have assumed that you either worked one or the other and no crossover, so wondering are your current ratings all current?
Regarding
I was making sure I understood what ratings you currently have based on your previous post.
I am in the process of reducing not expanding my list
At various points I have held different ratings.
But never got one that I never held before in 4 weeks not to mention 2 ratings which I did not have in 4 weeks.
Also slightly confused as you intimate you currently exercise Aerodrome/Approach radar and Area radar ratings.
I would see the market for procedural approach as a step back in monetary terms for someone who holds a current APP Radar endorsement.
Also procedural area? very few places would use this bar the NAT I doubt anyone else in EU does.
Your logic to have a "full house" as it would make you more "employable" is slightly flawed.
From your other posts I assumed you work for NATS.
I believed that NATS Terminal and NATS Enroute were separate business.
I would have assumed that you either worked one or the other and no crossover, so wondering are your current ratings all current?
Regarding
Currently have
ADI/ADV, Tower I/V
ACS area radar.
APS approach radar.
ADI/ADV, Tower I/V
ACS area radar.
APS approach radar.
I am in the process of reducing not expanding my list
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From: Róisín Dubh
49k for 4 weeks? Something sounds dodgy to me. I know our training costs a bomb but seriously why step back? Procedural approach will have you working in secondary airports for less money. Maybe something to consider as a wind down pre retirement I suppose, not for that price though...
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Confused atco
Yours is flawed, sorry. In Spain for example you get more money than in the UK as an ATCO but you need all the ratings if you want a job with them. I am missing those 2 only.
Una Due Tfc
I wish I could get it for a lower price, that's why I am trying to find people interested in sharing the course, but that's the price EPN is offering
Your logic to have a "full house" as it would make you more "employable" is slightly flawed.
Una Due Tfc
49k for 4 weeks? Something sounds dodgy to me.
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From: UK
...You could. But I don't think many people do. Unless it's normal practice that people are cross valid airport and offshore in the days since I was there.
I really don't understand how having APP and ACP will make you more employable given the ratings that you already hold. If you want a job at an airport you only need ADI and APS, if you want a job at a centre you only need ACS.
I really don't understand how having APP and ACP will make you more employable given the ratings that you already hold. If you want a job at an airport you only need ADI and APS, if you want a job at a centre you only need ACS.
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From: Wildest Surrey
At Farnborough, we used to be valid in ADC, (now ADV/ADI) APP,(Farnborough and Odiham - separate validations), APS (Farnborough and Odiham), PAR and ACS including 'autonomous' crossings of airways.
That was after the old 3 year ATCO Cadet course during which you gained all ratings (including ACP) apart from PAR.
That was after the old 3 year ATCO Cadet course during which you gained all ratings (including ACP) apart from PAR.
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From: New Zealand
Not sure about other parts of the Middle East, but where I'm working, having more ratings in your licence isn't going to help you. The authorities want current time using specific ratings and a number of years experience to boot.
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From: Wildest Surrey
Things have changed in recent years and the CAA are allowing limited use of radar by tower controllers at some specifically authorised units, Farnborough - my old place of work - being one.
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I haven't double checked the documents but isnt' TWR(RAD) is an endorsment, not a rating?
Also I have TWR(RAD) in my license and I do not work at a unit which combines radar and tower, we do however have advanced use of the ATM and I believe that is why we have the rad endorsment.
Also I have TWR(RAD) in my license and I do not work at a unit which combines radar and tower, we do however have advanced use of the ATM and I believe that is why we have the rad endorsment.
