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Greebson, it wasn't MY 1% it was the one quoted by Orson. I happen to think that we should be pushing for around 5-6% in a one year deal and some sort of progress made in restoring UHP to its previous levels. A major push should also be made as a sectional claim to get the OJTI task recognised financially in a professional manner. Someone mid-scale gets around £3 per hour extra for being an OJTI-remember it's YOUR licence on the line!!!!!!!
Undercover, yes the librarian is on a lower salary but nATS seem intent on having a company wide increase no matter what the job is. Just the same as the whole workforce got the bonus for Swanwick opening.
I would suggest that the ATC workforce now start to keep a very close eye on things like flow rates to ensure that you are not overloaded and to ensure that all sectors are split in accordance with the local working practices.
Short Term Pain-----and all that c**p.
Undercover, yes the librarian is on a lower salary but nATS seem intent on having a company wide increase no matter what the job is. Just the same as the whole workforce got the bonus for Swanwick opening.
I would suggest that the ATC workforce now start to keep a very close eye on things like flow rates to ensure that you are not overloaded and to ensure that all sectors are split in accordance with the local working practices.
Short Term Pain-----and all that c**p.
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250kts you forget we folk north of the border always support the underdogs. As the BBC and ITV are speculating who England meet in the final, we feel obliged to lend some support to Brazil.
On the matter of pay I am waiting for the Prospect statement following this week's BEC meeting. The newspapers seem to be full of stories of our impending industrial action. It would be nice to hear what is being discussed.
On the matter of pay I am waiting for the Prospect statement following this week's BEC meeting. The newspapers seem to be full of stories of our impending industrial action. It would be nice to hear what is being discussed.
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You Sweaty Socks should know all about being underdogs.
Remember Argentina 1978. You really thought you were in with a chance but Ally McCloud new better.
Not bad for such a level headed nation only because you have a chip on each shoulder.
Yours in probable defeat.
Mr Grubby.
You Sweaty Socks should know all about being underdogs.
Remember Argentina 1978. You really thought you were in with a chance but Ally McCloud new better.
Not bad for such a level headed nation only because you have a chip on each shoulder.
Yours in probable defeat.
Mr Grubby.
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250 kts. Not a bad starting point. However, I want parity with the best paid controllers in Europe, nothing more,nothing less. not that I think that i am a better controller, just an equal!
I have only had one DECENT payrise since joining and that was in the early 80`s, and boy that was a good one. Why did we get it. Because we took industrial action. Since then, I have put up with the odd spine point being removed and/or inflation plus s*d all else. I`ve seen successive CAA/NATS management devalue our profession to the point that it is now considered by them to be just your`average job. They consider that we are overpaid and under worked as it is!! I`ve also got a dry powder mountain the size of Mount Everest just waiting to explode!!!
Anyway, rant over and bring back LHG
(for the youngsters amongst us wo don`t know what that is, it was the far superior version of UHP which management and union managed to get us to give up!!!!)
I have only had one DECENT payrise since joining and that was in the early 80`s, and boy that was a good one. Why did we get it. Because we took industrial action. Since then, I have put up with the odd spine point being removed and/or inflation plus s*d all else. I`ve seen successive CAA/NATS management devalue our profession to the point that it is now considered by them to be just your`average job. They consider that we are overpaid and under worked as it is!! I`ve also got a dry powder mountain the size of Mount Everest just waiting to explode!!!
Anyway, rant over and bring back LHG
(for the youngsters amongst us wo don`t know what that is, it was the far superior version of UHP which management and union managed to get us to give up!!!!)
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Don't worry we get 24 hour tv up here, whatsmore we're not all scots up here.
I don't think now is really the time to build a north/south divide if we want to get anything out of this dispute.
England for the cup!!!!!!!!!!
GRUBS
Just out of interest, how far did we get in the '78 world cup?
Don't worry we get 24 hour tv up here, whatsmore we're not all scots up here.
I don't think now is really the time to build a north/south divide if we want to get anything out of this dispute.
England for the cup!!!!!!!!!!
GRUBS
Just out of interest, how far did we get in the '78 world cup?
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Really strange, nearly a week has passed since the close of the consultative ballot, and the only info I get is from this site and the BBC!
I assume my Postie has taken a break to watch the World Cup and my letter from Prospect detailing the ballot results, within which I voted, is still in his bag?
So what was the actual voting figure? I await these results with baited breath. Nothing on atcos.co.uk
I would suggest our European cousins have a far superior voting system.
Now, as I have not had official communication from my union that conducted the ballot about its results, I must assume that either:-
1. My subs are wasted.
2. My union cannot be bothered with my vote.
3. My union subs are being wasted on other projects.
4. My Postie is a lazy git?
I pay a sum of money each month in union subs and it would appear to me that this is being..............Wasted by a union set on growth and not its core membership? Been there, seen it, got shafted in the meantime!
My union morels dictate that a professional trade union must keep its membership fully informed about key events, sadly, I may be asked to vote for industrial action without being fully briefed by my trade union. I am not referring to the reps who do a great job, but the hierarchy of a certain union actually lacking any real prospect! Obviously my near £11.00 per month will not elicit a letter to confirm a ballot result!
Our European cousins meanwhile are demonstrating belief.
Serious rant over.
Our reps, keep up the good work, for yours is the hardest job currently!
I assume my Postie has taken a break to watch the World Cup and my letter from Prospect detailing the ballot results, within which I voted, is still in his bag?
So what was the actual voting figure? I await these results with baited breath. Nothing on atcos.co.uk
I would suggest our European cousins have a far superior voting system.
Now, as I have not had official communication from my union that conducted the ballot about its results, I must assume that either:-
1. My subs are wasted.
2. My union cannot be bothered with my vote.
3. My union subs are being wasted on other projects.
4. My Postie is a lazy git?
I pay a sum of money each month in union subs and it would appear to me that this is being..............Wasted by a union set on growth and not its core membership? Been there, seen it, got shafted in the meantime!
My union morels dictate that a professional trade union must keep its membership fully informed about key events, sadly, I may be asked to vote for industrial action without being fully briefed by my trade union. I am not referring to the reps who do a great job, but the hierarchy of a certain union actually lacking any real prospect! Obviously my near £11.00 per month will not elicit a letter to confirm a ballot result!
Our European cousins meanwhile are demonstrating belief.
Serious rant over.
Our reps, keep up the good work, for yours is the hardest job currently!
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Sorry Greeb,no divide intended.
Orson, not sure which unit you work at,but on every sector at LACC was a copy of the ballot result put out by the BEC vice-chair.
If you're not at LACC then I suggest you hit your unit reps pretty quickly for the info.
Orson, not sure which unit you work at,but on every sector at LACC was a copy of the ballot result put out by the BEC vice-chair.
If you're not at LACC then I suggest you hit your unit reps pretty quickly for the info.
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Sorry lads, but I was offered 3-1 for Brazil, too good to resist. If I get a result I'll buy Greebs a halfpint. (he gets pissed too easy)., but only if he agrees to make a cuppa at work !!
, but only if he agrees to make a cuppa at work !!
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Management have refused to offer any more money.
They did however "promise" to address ATCO's concerns and aspirations..............well that's OK then.
Looks like the next step will be the industrial action ballot.
I have been told the outcome from yesterday is on the NATS Intranet.
They did however "promise" to address ATCO's concerns and aspirations..............well that's OK then.
Looks like the next step will be the industrial action ballot.
I have been told the outcome from yesterday is on the NATS Intranet.
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According to the Prospect circular, NATS have until 11th July to to respond "positively and constructively" to the rejection.
At this time any new offer would be put to the members OR if no progress then the 7 days notice to ballot for action would be served on NATS.
Considerations are a series of 12 hour strikes and the withdrawal of goodwill over extraneous duties.
The latter could cause major problems especially at LACC re the TRUCE table top exercises which must be completed by the end of July.
More importantly Prospect have committed an initial £1 million to the campaign.
The new management knew of theoutstanding sectional claims before the pay round started so it's about time they started to put their hand in the pockets over these issues. It seems the rest of the workforce are happy to accept this crap offer over 2 years so NATS only have to worry about the revenue earners for the next 24 months.
At this time any new offer would be put to the members OR if no progress then the 7 days notice to ballot for action would be served on NATS.
Considerations are a series of 12 hour strikes and the withdrawal of goodwill over extraneous duties.
The latter could cause major problems especially at LACC re the TRUCE table top exercises which must be completed by the end of July.
More importantly Prospect have committed an initial £1 million to the campaign.
The new management knew of theoutstanding sectional claims before the pay round started so it's about time they started to put their hand in the pockets over these issues. It seems the rest of the workforce are happy to accept this crap offer over 2 years so NATS only have to worry about the revenue earners for the next 24 months.
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Dear Mr Grubby
Following one of your recent posts and on behalf of a few million of my countrymen, I just thought I'd let you know what the dawn chorus was this morning, just in case you are too far south to hear:
"you're not singing anymore... you're not si-i-i-nging enn-nee more!!!"
(no offence meant to others and no further correspondence on this subject will be entered into!)
Following one of your recent posts and on behalf of a few million of my countrymen, I just thought I'd let you know what the dawn chorus was this morning, just in case you are too far south to hear:
"you're not singing anymore... you're not si-i-i-nging enn-nee more!!!"
(no offence meant to others and no further correspondence on this subject will be entered into!)
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Disregard all previous - found what I was looking for at www.prospect.org.uk/news
Strange though that our TU also thinks that 2.2+3.7=6 ???
Am I missing something here or does a combined subscription from ATCOs to the tune of over £0.25 million pa not buy even a single calculator that works properly?
Rgds
T3
Strange though that our TU also thinks that 2.2+3.7=6 ???
Am I missing something here or does a combined subscription from ATCOs to the tune of over £0.25 million pa not buy even a single calculator that works properly?
Rgds
T3
Last edited by tug3; 21st Jun 2002 at 10:46.