Octuber 10th: 14.000 ATCO´s called for a pan-European action day!!
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Octuber 10th: 14.000 ATCO´s called for a pan-European action day!!
Hello, fellow ATCO´s:
Air Traffic Controllers European Unions Coordination (ATCEUC) calls its 14.000 members of all EC to an industrial action on Octuber 10th.
More at:
http://www.atceuc.org/upload/ATC-EUC...ss-release.pdf
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Air Traffic Controllers European Unions Coordination (ATCEUC) calls its 14.000 members of all EC to an industrial action on Octuber 10th.
More at:
http://www.atceuc.org/upload/ATC-EUC...ss-release.pdf
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It'll only happen in the south of europe. Spanish and greeks possibly a few italians will strike for anything to protect their highly paid under worked positions.
And they wonder why their countries are being bailed out...
And they wonder why their countries are being bailed out...
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@Lon More: the link works fine for me, it downloads a .pdf file. Anyway, more info at:
atceuc.org - Air Traffic Controllers European Unions Coordination
BTW, not a word about $alarie$ in all the call ...
atceuc.org - Air Traffic Controllers European Unions Coordination
BTW, not a word about $alarie$ in all the call ...
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Thanks, took a long while to download - probably busy.
.... but there's always someone who won't let that get in the way of a bit of ATC bashing.
BTW, not a word about $alarie$ in all the call ...
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.... but there's always someone who won't let that get in the way of a bit of ATC bashing.
Will U.K. ATCOs be involved?
atceuc.org - Air Traffic Controllers European Unions Coordination
... but, who knows!!
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... but, who knows!!
In a number of countries mentioned there is more than one union active so it's possible the result will be patchy
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I'm sure we'll get some postcards together again
To be lawful, industrial action must:
be a dispute between workers and their employer relating to terms and conditions of employment, sharing out work, discipline, or union issues
not involve 'secondary action' or action taken by the employees of an employer who is not involved in the dispute
not involve unlawful picketing
follow a secret ballot, for which there is a legally-required procedure and timescale.
At the moment this is action over a political decision and as such would be illegal in the UK and would leave the Union open to legal action.
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UK ATCOs have only gone on strike once and that was a waste of time and nothing to do with ATC
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The strike action taken in the early 1970s was everything to do with ATCOs. The reason union members went on strike was that that method of determining their salaries was scrapped by the Thatcher government despite having give assurances prior to the general election that the had no plans to interfere with the pay bargaining formula. I disagree with the assertion that the majority of ATCOs did not strike, some certainly did not and I have a lot of sympathy for those approaching retirement age who felt their pensions may have been affected, but all in all the action was well supported by union members.
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We were all part of the same pay determination process and I can assure you I would not have gone on strike if I had not been directly affected; I found the whole process deeply unpleasant.
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The situation a few hours ago:
Definitely on strike:
Germany
France
Spain
Portugal
Italy
Balkan countries
Almost certainly on strike:
Belgium/NL/Luxembourg in the upper air space
Possibly on strike:
Belgium lower airspace
Definitely not on strike:
UK
Unknown:
Scandinavia
Definitely on strike:
Germany
France
Spain
Portugal
Italy
Balkan countries
Almost certainly on strike:
Belgium/NL/Luxembourg in the upper air space
Possibly on strike:
Belgium lower airspace
Definitely not on strike:
UK
Unknown:
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Norway and Denmark will not participate by going on strike. So guessing Sweden won't neither. But there will be some kind of "acknowledgment", at least according to the norwegian atc association.
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By a strange coincidence I happen to be travelling on the 14th. Booked ages ago.
As a retired controller, after a 35 year career, I can relate to legitimate grievances (management was and always will be peopled by those that couldn't control) and I was employed during strike action but again by a strange coincidence I was always on days off when strike action took place. What I did notice, as a result of strike action, was that those who struck generally didn't achieve whatever it was that they went on strike for, apart from inconveniencing the general public and only ended up losing a days pay.
As I understand it the latest "call to strike" it is to protest against the introduction of SESAR. So, who initiated this? The French? The Spanish? The Greeks? The British? And what do they hope to achieve? An improvement in working conditions? A better salary? Better equipment? No, it appears to be the status quo?
To achieve that just go to work and watch Management try to implement SESAR and save a days pay. Eurocontrol was supposed to be the forerunner of SESAR and how many years has this been going now and how many Euro countries does it control?
I'm not saying it's not a good idea but are the present Managements capable enough to pull it off? History seems to say not. So, why waste a days pay, just sit back and wait for Management to negotiate with politicians (yawn, check watch, yawn, check calendar, yawn, check pension, yawn, retire. Yawn, P.S. Is SESAR implemented yet?).
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P.S. I'm on a ferry on the 14th!
As a retired controller, after a 35 year career, I can relate to legitimate grievances (management was and always will be peopled by those that couldn't control) and I was employed during strike action but again by a strange coincidence I was always on days off when strike action took place. What I did notice, as a result of strike action, was that those who struck generally didn't achieve whatever it was that they went on strike for, apart from inconveniencing the general public and only ended up losing a days pay.
As I understand it the latest "call to strike" it is to protest against the introduction of SESAR. So, who initiated this? The French? The Spanish? The Greeks? The British? And what do they hope to achieve? An improvement in working conditions? A better salary? Better equipment? No, it appears to be the status quo?
To achieve that just go to work and watch Management try to implement SESAR and save a days pay. Eurocontrol was supposed to be the forerunner of SESAR and how many years has this been going now and how many Euro countries does it control?
I'm not saying it's not a good idea but are the present Managements capable enough to pull it off? History seems to say not. So, why waste a days pay, just sit back and wait for Management to negotiate with politicians (yawn, check watch, yawn, check calendar, yawn, check pension, yawn, retire. Yawn, P.S. Is SESAR implemented yet?).
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May I be so bold as to say that you seem to have very little / zero understanding of what the proposed EU regs actually entail and would mean for ANSPs across Europe.
Im not going to sit here and type it all out, it would take too long - but just to scratch the surface it would mean huge (and damaging) job losses across Europe, the removal of in house engineering support to the live systems, year on year pay reductions - whilst at the same time working to a law that dictates a 5 (or 10, I forget) fold increase in 'safety', whilst dealing with a predicted doubling of traffic by the mid 2020s.
Normally bills passed through the Euro parliament are subject to lengthy consultation processes, all of which have been disregarded so that the bill can be pushed through before the next elections.
Its absolute drivel, dangerous mindless drivel, written by imbeciles with personal agendas that have no place within a safety critical public service.
Management dont get a say, because if the EU have their way itll be law.
If indeed you are an ex-ATCO I find it a bit of a shame you posted what you have.
If the ATCEUC calls for their 1st unilateral strike in >10yrs, and Maastricht UAC (as an example) are willing to strike for what will likely be the 1st time in 22yrs, do you not think it might be a slightly serious issue?
I could go on all day, but you really need to do your own reading.
PS. The action day is on the 10th, not the 14th.
May I be so bold as to say that you seem to have very little / zero understanding of what the proposed EU regs actually entail and would mean for ANSPs across Europe.
Im not going to sit here and type it all out, it would take too long - but just to scratch the surface it would mean huge (and damaging) job losses across Europe, the removal of in house engineering support to the live systems, year on year pay reductions - whilst at the same time working to a law that dictates a 5 (or 10, I forget) fold increase in 'safety', whilst dealing with a predicted doubling of traffic by the mid 2020s.
Normally bills passed through the Euro parliament are subject to lengthy consultation processes, all of which have been disregarded so that the bill can be pushed through before the next elections.
Its absolute drivel, dangerous mindless drivel, written by imbeciles with personal agendas that have no place within a safety critical public service.
Management dont get a say, because if the EU have their way itll be law.
If indeed you are an ex-ATCO I find it a bit of a shame you posted what you have.
If the ATCEUC calls for their 1st unilateral strike in >10yrs, and Maastricht UAC (as an example) are willing to strike for what will likely be the 1st time in 22yrs, do you not think it might be a slightly serious issue?
I could go on all day, but you really need to do your own reading.
PS. The action day is on the 10th, not the 14th.
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