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Old 5th May 2012, 06:35
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"Doing the best job in Europe, if not the World"
Think a little highly of yourself then, eh?!!

I think the union would be better served fighting real battles, not the right to wear flip flops, and besides, jeans are more than acceptable under the term 'smart casual'.

I overheard someone the other day moaning to a colleague that the union had not been consulted over the slightly amended way to indicate when you are available for AVA's (Swanwick) on the intranet. No wonder our Reps have so many days TOiL when they feel they should spend tie out of the Ops room getting involved in things that are so trivial.

Meanwhile, I bet pay negotiations for implementation in Jan 2013 are not underway... I know it is only May, but can anyone remember when we last got a pay deal in on time? Granted last time round it was a protracted negotiation but every time the union seems to forget how long things take to do. I'm sure management have a say in when they start talking pay, but that's surely a better thing to worry about than whether or not we can wear flip flops?

The union should be concentrating on proper issues that truly affect Ts and Cs, not spending 2 or 3 days a month attending canteen committees or getting wound up about trivial matters.
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Old 5th May 2012, 06:37
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For God's sake Londogeezer, grow up. A suggested "dress code" is not worth getting excited about.

As a group we lost our chance to stand up and be counted when we accepted the "pension" deal 3 years ago.

Climb down from your glass tower, or walk out of the door of your glass TMA and take a look at what is happening in the "real" world, enjoy the fact we have a good well paid job, which is "recession "proof. (at the moment):
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Old 5th May 2012, 10:25
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I don't think dressing reasonably smartly is too much to ask at all.

Even I sometimes cringe when people rock up to work wearing beach shorts, flip flops (yes, even at Prestwick), t-shirts emblazoned with stuff - or, my pet hate, jeans half way down their backsides. I have no desire to see people's anuses at work

Smart casual includes most appropriate forms of wear including jeans and stuff. So this is a non-issue.
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Old 5th May 2012, 11:15
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Anuses, or Ani?!
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Old 5th May 2012, 19:25
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Standard dress on weekdays will be:
Open-crotch balaclava, barbed-wire vest and bowler hat (with sleeves).
Weekends will be more relaxed.
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Old 5th May 2012, 19:59
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people rock up to work wearing beach shorts, flip flops (yes, even at Prestwick)
Ha ha! Hardcore.

No issues here. It's a shame that anything has to be said, it's work afterall, smart casual should be a minimum.

I think the union would be better served fighting real battles, not the right to wear flip flops, and besides, jeans are more than acceptable under the term 'smart casual'.
Strongly agree.

Doing the best job in Europe if not the world. Yet we're judged on our outwardly appearance instead of the job that most people are incapable of doing.
I wonder if you realise how you sound.

I know how lucky I am to have the ability to do my job in the first instance, and to be given the opportunity in the second. The reality of the world of business and consultancy, in fact the reality of the world, is that first impressions count for something (not everything) and it's in all of our interests for NATS to be thought of highly.
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Old 5th May 2012, 22:20
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The union have published a letter stating they were consulted and are happy with what management have written.

The reality of the world of business and consultancy, in fact the reality of the world, is that first impressions count for something (not everything) and it's in all of our interests for NATS to be thought of highly.
Wise words.

Like it or not, NATS is a business and Swanwick is, and this is no disrespect to any other unit, seen to be a prime unit. We are going to see more prospective customers in the future, and it is in our interest that NATS looks good to them. A strong business means that NATS will have no excuse to attack the pension, amongst other things.

Maybe that line of thinking is beyond some people, even the ones who 'can do a job very few others can'
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Old 6th May 2012, 07:45
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You could have shirts made up to the company logo colour combinations.
Different colour/wavy lines for different days.Or different colours for status,as in Star Trek.After all you should be proud to advertise the company brand.
I know very good tailor in Hong Kong.For you very special price,ready in an hour.
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Old 6th May 2012, 08:06
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Reading this makes me feel that a couple of people need to grow up and get on with it.

If you feel strongly about your employer laying down some simple rules about a dress code - vote with your feet and leave (Oh, I thought not...).

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Old 6th May 2012, 08:37
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ATC is a world of definitions so kindly can someone define "Smart/Casual"........what is smart/casual to this 58 year old may not be the same to my 28 year old Son...........he pays over 100 for a pair of jeans full of holes, I tend to buy a perfect pair for a tenner from my mate John Hargreaves's little empire so who is the smarter?......anyway as for myself May-September is the months for shorts despite some crappy Scottish weather so hopefully that's how it will have to be.......
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Old 6th May 2012, 08:41
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"I know very good tailor in Hong Kong. For you very special price,ready in an hour."
Right, I'll have a nice dark jacket with four big gold bars on each sleeve. Oh, and a cap with lots of those nice gold leaves on the peak. The biggest dilemma is should I wear a cravat?

Anyway, that should impress these visiting foreign johnnies and demonstrate how good I am at my job.

Now where's that T-shirted, ripped-jeaned oick with my afternoon pot of Earl Grey?

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Old 6th May 2012, 09:47
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londogeezer...... really? That is the most hilarious post ever. I shall look forward to you announcing your angry resignation. with your superhuman skills another job allowing you to wear your beachwear should be no problem. If carling did controllers.......!
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Old 6th May 2012, 10:04
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I have to say this is the best thread ( no pun intended) since the run up to the MACC closure, well done Londogeezer, keep the trivia coming.
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Old 6th May 2012, 11:30
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Smart/casual just means use your common sense. That's all.
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Old 6th May 2012, 11:31
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OTB,
My tailor does a very nice line in tuxidos and kilts as well.You could have the Nats tartan.
Ready in 3 hours.Next to Mid Levels escalator,you know where that is.
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Old 6th May 2012, 15:48
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TAD,

Mmm, tuxedos, eh? Only for the evening, though. And perhaps a velvet smoking jacket for the mornings.

NATS tartan - That must be where the phrase "Ooh, he looks Natty", derived from.

Natty meaning - smart, good, cool.

Well a kilt would be cool.

Anyway, sun's over the yardarm, time for a preprandial. "Waiter"

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Ah, the Mid-levels escalator. There lies the path to a mis-spent past!!
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Old 6th May 2012, 15:55
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I went on strike once, it was on the telly and everything, is that not industrial action?
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Old 6th May 2012, 16:22
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Come on HD, time to dust off the old 3ft wide bow tie you wore at LL one day when a comment was made about dress code.

Every time he turned round it was like a Laurel and Hardy comedy with anyone close being hit!
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Old 6th May 2012, 16:45
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I remember, back in 1975 at Gatwick, a certain Mr. RT took to wearing his tennis gear to work. He was pulled up for it and told to wear a tie. Next day he turned up for work wearing a tie. It went very well with his tennis shorts and Fred Perry polo shirt. They dropped the idea after that.
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Old 6th May 2012, 17:42
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Basil

Ian, I thought you did your 8 years as an Argosy man - or was the ATC posting the reason you left! It was mine; then I ended up spending the rest of my career as an ATCO anyway! Tant Pis as the Frogs say.

Talkdown Man

I thought you liked my 'ageing Rock Star' appearance.

Strike

1981 lots did!

Shorts

Was I the first to wear them at LL? (1987), HD or Window Job might know. If so, look what I started!

Off-spring tells me that the Union has not agreed with 'dress code' yet, to be discussed at next shop stewards meeting!

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