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Old 16th Jan 2012, 15:59
  #141 (permalink)  
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Thumbs down They fired the wrong guy(s)

The way Serco treated RS is deplorable. The Ops Manager should be the one fired for throwing RS under the bus and then driving over him. The Contract Director should be gone also for allowing this whole mess to take place when he has known for the months the Ops Manager is way over his head in this, or any, position.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 17:21
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pre-determined outcome?

RS's fate was determined before any investigation was even started. The last minute attempt at an investigation was SERCO trying to cover up the incompetent handling of the investigation from the start. Anyone know a cheap HR Lawyer that wants to make easy money? This is a no brainer? Anyone on Stuck Mike? Our friends across the Atlantic should know what kind of Organization that SERCO is.
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Old 19th Jan 2012, 15:43
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Serco Pulse Awards

Drum roll - - - - the results are in -

Outstanding Commitment -Mr. W., nominated by Andy, Ven, George and Mark. Ven, nominated by Andy, George, Mark and Ven. Siggi, Area/Approach Controllers (sorry, you Training and Tower guys just don't quite cut it) and RS, this was obviously a mistake, he doesn't even work here any more - (this one must really kill Mr. W.)

Making an Exceptional Impact on Mr. W. the winner is Eva. the others were Riad and Rick from Serco and Sabah from ABG

That's it folks. Thanks for tuning in.
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Old 23rd Jan 2012, 14:46
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Radar is a crutch, Frequencies are a luxury

Seemingly overnight it was decided to rework the Iraq airspace. This will be done, this will be done now. No regard for infrastructure, training, procedures, employee input, briefings, or automation changes. In a matter of days, 2 new radar positions will be developed.

The Iraq radar , land line, and radio infrastructure is old, broke, and not holding on well. Radar coverage does not cover half of the Iraq airspace. The primary means to contact 2 northern towers is a prepaid cell phone. Bleed over from improper transmitter placement makes pilot to controller communication a guessing game. Direct line communication with adjacent FIR's may be available on 1 out of 4 positions that require it. Automation is so bad that operational radar tracks drop from the radar scopes on an everyday, every hour frequency.

Is this really the time to stretch the rubber band even further?
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Old 23rd Jan 2012, 15:02
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Maybe you guys can enlighten us about what has happened to the Baghdad "International" Airport Instrument Procedures?

NOTAMS say they have been "off" for the last days......

Just curious...still good enough flying without them...(not that it would make any difference)....
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 03:51
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If it's broke, don't be usin it!

The status of any paperwork related information regarding aviation and airports in Iraq is always suspect. Changes take forever. Information that is known to be wrong or obsolete can not be changed because those with the authority to change it do not have the experience, knowledge or balls to make the change. The ICAA refuses to accept direction or help from anyone. They know better! Navigational equipment goes up and down all day long. Usually it is the pilots that inform ATC of the changes. Scheduled Maintenance and outage information does not get passed to the controllers. Navaid status is ever changing and information on the status drops through the cracks. Things like new antennas/obstacles are not reported through any channel and thus do not go on charts. Good luck flying out there.
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 16:39
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Just flying visual anyway......ifr just a backup....

You just confirmed what we have been speculating about....thx....always good to have you guys up on the tower.......
The iraqis do what they want-on both sides; in the tower AND in the air...

Laughed my ass off when the tower cleared to Iraqi MI-17s to stay WEST of 33L due to a fixed wing taking off from there.....and the helos just crossed underneath the departing plane, ignoring the yelling controller....

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Old 24th Jan 2012, 18:10
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Hey there at Baghdad, do you still have with you a fellow comrade from Spain? If yes, please tell C. to update, he will know what I mean.

Do you expect vacancies in the short term there at Baghdad? May consider applying myself.

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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 22:27
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So, Ladies and Gents at BIAP...

Who took the decision not to renew the contract? Serco or the ICAA? Whatever the case, if the Iraqi CAA thinks they can provide a safe IFR control service at any of the units in the country, they need to stop whatver meds they are on.

I predict information will come to light in the next few months which will cause some carriers to start avoiding Iraqi airspace, and even some of those that fly into ORB will cease those ops.

This is going to get interesting.
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Old 14th Feb 2012, 15:51
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New advert on the flightglobal website today.
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Old 14th Feb 2012, 16:13
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Seems they have a job and an incorrect job refers to Baghdad and the other to training Bahrainis......wouldn't fill me with confidence in a future employer
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Old 5th May 2012, 05:32
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Air Traffic Control Officer - 2 months assignment with Serco Middle East | 1401340384

Opening to train Iraqi's in ATC...

Any insight on this? Is this the end of ex-pats working ATC in Baghdad?
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Old 10th May 2012, 12:32
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Work for Serco? hahahahahahaha
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Old 10th May 2012, 13:11
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how sensible the ICAA will be about Serco staff numbers.
Another hahahahaha....
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Old 1st Jun 2012, 16:28
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I left BIAP last June after starting with WCG and going to SERCO. It is interesting to hear whats been going on since I, left through this forum. Back in October I offered to come back in January for three months to help out with staffing, since I knew there were going to be a number of controllers leaving at the end of the year. I was told everything was fine and there were no problems with staffing, thanks for the offer but we don't need you.

Sounds like things were a bit different.
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Old 7th Jun 2012, 18:53
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So SERCO Baghdad are advertising again, this time on a 5 month contract until end of this year. Air Traffic Control Officer

The listing mentions competitive package + return flights, anyone have a ball park figure of what the 'competitive' package consists of and what the shift pattern is?
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Old 8th Jun 2012, 13:48
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SERCO Baghdad

The shifts are 7-3, 3-11, and 11-7.

For full time controllers, The pay package consists of base pay (187,000), travel pay (12500.00), and a bonus at the end of a years employment. I do not know if it would be the same for a short term contract. Most likely prorated. They do pay for your airfare to Baghdad and home at the end of the 5 months. We get a travel allowance of 12,500 a year that is supposed to help offset any additional travel that we do on our own.
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Old 13th Jun 2012, 10:38
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Is big Frank still at Baghdad? If he is can someone ask him to PM me,ta.
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Old 13th Jun 2012, 14:03
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US Dollars.
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Old 15th Jun 2012, 06:50
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IRAQ, banned small corporate jets.????

What is the truth, about exec jets with more than 10 seats banned from Iraq.

To protect local interests is my only logical thought.

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