ICAO Level 4 testing standards

[Spitoon]

Lol. Which one?

Not sure what you mean, criss. But take a look at the criteria for level 4 - do the controllers in the recording fail to meet the criteria?

[criss]

I was referring to m99 post, not yours. But they actually all seem to be level 0.

[m99]

Some rated speech samples:

ICAO Language Proficiency Requirements — Rated Speech Samples

[sekos]

i did the elapc test last year got level 5 but from 160 atcos here only about 20 have level 5 rest level 4 some atcoa had to take the test again to pass it, so i think its working good here.But i dont like how the test is done dont know why its full of spanish and french pilots and atcoa talking in listening part of the test ok its hard to understand them sometimes but ive found out that for most of my old colleagues americans specially military pilots talking in plain english is the biggest problem and sometimes brits too.They can easilly understand not native speakers.The test should have been more plain english and more native speakers.

And same here no one can get level 6 here since the examiners are not allowed to give it dont know why?

[1999]

I took the Elpac test today ...and I passed it without a problem .. but I would like to express how pissed I am at all this ordeal with proficiency checks.. first of all - the way these tests are put together is a complete disgrace - It's been nearly 20 years since I'm in the ATC bussines (and almost 30 years since I started flying with the gliders) and the least i would expect from such tests is to promote the use of standard phraseology and what not - the test contents are full of phrases which are definitely non standard (e.g. "...we are passing flight level TEN FOUR ..." so that ten four should stand for FL104..etc) What the **** !!!!???
These Elpac tests are IMHO the memory tests and not ENGLISH PROFICIENCY ones.
The second grief I have is about the rumours I've heard about certain "bigger" countries - ICAO foundation "fathers" (especially some of the "tipical" ones, whos pilots quite often have problems with the usage of those 25 or 30 standard aviation phrases ) who allegedely granted Level 5 or 6 to all of their licenced personel concerned... Now I don't know if that is true, but if it is - that is a total disgrace of all the international aviation community - and a BIG slap on the face of so called "higher standards" they are trying to achieve with this charade.
Knowing the skills and so "called english proficiency" of my coleagues at work - most of them got Elpac level 4 btw - and listening to some of the pilots "struggle" with plain and simple readbacks to the standard phraseology we use and are quite strict at my unit - how on earth they scored level 5 or even 6 - if the rumours are correct !!!!!!????
There - I put it off my chest - I feel better now

Play it safe!

1999

[ron83]

It is a know story...

It's testing how good you're at typing,memorizing etc.
Personally I do know at least one native speaker,he didn't attained level 4 in listening...