UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours

[anotherthing]

full result... I believe the vote was 53% to 47%

anyone willing to take a wager that there will be an attempt to rob the pensions again before the end of the year, citing poverty?

So, another 'yes' vote - but we will still see more jobs lost, and the remainder expected to pick up the extra tasks.

I know it's tough out there, and people may be saying we should get real, but our company is a success, no small reason for that is the work that the employees do. We're improving results year on year, paying huge dividends... we are in the real world - our 'real world' happens to be one where we are in profit,

[privatesandwiches]

Well I guess my no vote should have been used for toilet paper.
So will this be in Julys' pay????

[45 before POL]

Well, not the result I hoped for but 53/47 is tighter than management might have like. Showing more than the pension how many pi$$3d off employeees they have at the moment. Well majority rules....or did it....how many did not bother to vote this time???

[mr.777]

No surprise it got voted in, even if the margin was only 6%. I now look forward to having my pension further degraded, individual rostering and 6 on 3 off.

[kats-I]

Thanks to all those who voted yes...for nothing!!! Enjoy your 30 pieces of silver, it won't last long.
To all those who didn't vote..Don't go bleating when things get worse. You had your chance and blew it..BIG TIME!!!

At the end of the day though I do appreciate that it was your vote and you voted as you saw fit. Just wish we didn't have to keep being put in these positions.

[anotherthing]

Still hearing mutterings of a breakaway union... not sure if someone is pulling my leg or not... will dig further. If anyone else hears anything in the meantime, could you post details please?

[hold at SATAN]

Anotherthing

full result... I believe the vote was 53% to 47%

Are your sure or just speculating? I didn't think they'd count the vote and announce until after the weekend.

Damned shame if it is a Yes vote.


PS: Mr777 we already work 6(or is it 7?) on 3 off: day7 is about 80% of a nightshift/sleep day, followed by 3 days off

[Geffen]

Result as above, just got e-mail from prospect stating the same. 71% response from the ATCO branch.

[mr.777]

Mr777 we already work 6(or is it 7?) on 3 off: day7 is about 80% of a nightshift/sleep day, followed by 3 days off

Fair point SATAN, but I think you know what I was getting at

71% turnout is a disgrace in my view. Just heard a great quote from Bob Crow on 5Live.."if you're not willing to fight for your job, your pay and your pension, whats the point of being in a trade union? You might as well be in a video club." The other 29% should bear that in mind.

[kats-I]

I can't believe that over 500 people didn't bother to vote!! Either way!! What is the point if you are paying dues and not using your voice?? AARRGGHH!


Result on ATCO site

[Radarspod]

ATSS results

915 papers sent out

602 papers returned

461 YES
141 NO

66% papers returned

77% VOTING YES
23% VOTING NO


Somewhat different numbers, but same result

RS

[aaaabbbbcccc1111]

After the poor turnout with the pension vote, why couldn't we have had this vote done in the ops room. God only knows why people cannot be arsed to post a freepost letter into a postbox, even just pop it into the outmail at work, but they obviously cant. I am really concerned now after losing this vote. I see RPI did better than expected this month and it is no where near the estimate of -3.9% in Aug 09. What have we done???

[anotherthing]

As stated, The 'Yes' vote wins the day.

[121decimal375]

That sums it up perfectly!

[Del Prado]

53/47 split? wish I'd voted now.

[privatesandwiches]

Another one on the chalk board for management then.
I was going to wait until I left, but as of today, union membership has been cancelled.
Good luck to all left fighting the fight, looks like you will need it!!!

[aaaabbbbcccc1111]

Private, I am probably going to leave also as I dont see the point in paying £16 or so a month which gives me the right to have a vote, when nearly 30% of its members cannot be bothered to vote. I am more annoyed with the non voters than I am with prospect. In fact if prospect would have proposed the original derisory offer from management, that too would have been voted in, management probably knew that as did prospect. So do we owe a debt of gratitude to prospect for getting us this deal, knowing as we all know that anything would have been voted in.

[Radarspod]

when nearly 30% of its members cannot be bothered to vote

So are you saying that you would accept the result if it had been 100% turnout? Or would you still be crying foul as it wasn't what you wanted?

[kats-I]

Aabbcc111

What have we done???

If you voted no then "WE" haven't done anything..just the yes voters who really didn't look at bigger picture. Screwed again.


Del Prado

53/47 split? wish I'd voted now.

If wishes were horses tramps wouldn't walk!!! so can't change anything now.

anotherthing

Lovely ..says everything ..can we have a weekly strip (cartoon that is !!)

[aaaabbbbcccc1111]

So are you saying that you would accept the result if it had been 100% turnout? Or would you still be crying foul as it wasn't what you wanted

Well I am accepting the result. There is nothing that can be done about it. I have not cried foul at all. I think it is a poor show when nearly 1 in 3 cannot be bothered to vote on such an important issue as pension and pay. I do feel that if the vote was conducted at polling stations at work then there would be a higher turn out.