UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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£50million dividend back to the airlines. 9% pay rise to PB, yet apparantly we are too skint to give the workforce a half decent pay offer.
Unbelievable, simply unbelievable.
This company is walking all over anyone and everyone, and doing exactly whatever they want.
They appear to have absolutely no fear of the Union anymore....Wonder why that is!
Unbelievable, simply unbelievable.
This company is walking all over anyone and everyone, and doing exactly whatever they want.
They appear to have absolutely no fear of the Union anymore....Wonder why that is!
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Probably has something to do with the fact that the guy running the show."The Ring Master" doesn't give a toss about the staff or the company. As long as HE looks good sod the rest of us!
The unoin guys have seen the whites of his eyes and instead of taking the chance to shoot have turned tail and ran. Too many management lackies.
The unoin guys have seen the whites of his eyes and instead of taking the chance to shoot have turned tail and ran. Too many management lackies.
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Let's face the reality of the situation:
A substantial dividend is going to be paid to shareholders
Performance bonuses will be paid
Senior managers will get significant pay rises
And we'll get offered a modest increase... 2.5% rumour sounds quite likely to me.
If you look at that from the outside what you see is a successful company, making good profits. That's fine... So long as they stop bleating about how poor we are and how tough times are going to be.
A substantial dividend is going to be paid to shareholders
Performance bonuses will be paid
Senior managers will get significant pay rises
And we'll get offered a modest increase... 2.5% rumour sounds quite likely to me.
If you look at that from the outside what you see is a successful company, making good profits. That's fine... So long as they stop bleating about how poor we are and how tough times are going to be.
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Note the date on the website.... will most likely be 6 months late like our payrise and not be what we expected.
Prospect, we only keep our expectations low so you may have a chance to impress us....
Prospect, we only keep our expectations low so you may have a chance to impress us....
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I notice on the intranet that PB has declared on the intranet that he is leaving next April... another prediction of mine (see earlier posts in pensions thread) that's come to fruition...
I wonder what damage he can inflict before he goes.
Nice to see he gets a whopping pay rise again before he departs though - nice to top up his pension fund
I wonder what damage he can inflict before he goes.
Nice to see he gets a whopping pay rise again before he departs though - nice to top up his pension fund
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For 'kin Hell ..What the hell is going on.?? We got shafted with a yes vote on pensions and now looks like we will loose Final salary as well.
Our union better start working now and do what they put themselves up for doing...looking after the workers.
Our union better start working now and do what they put themselves up for doing...looking after the workers.
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What are the major dis advantages for not being in the union. I genuinely dont see where my money goes each month. I know its only £15 or so, but I feel I may aswell save that £15 each month and blow it all on the grand national each year. If I win, I get my own little pay rise. I have never been in a union before, I only joined prospect recently to get my no vote for the pension ballot in. All I feel is that being in prospect gives me peace of mind if I have a very bad day at work, but could GATCO provide me with just as much peace of mind.
Most CVs I read (not that I read many), but PB mentioned it in his, is that most senior/middle manager were union reps in the past, and I am thinking wether some reps(not all) are using there position of reps to further their own career. You scratch my back etc etc. I hope I am wrong.
Most CVs I read (not that I read many), but PB mentioned it in his, is that most senior/middle manager were union reps in the past, and I am thinking wether some reps(not all) are using there position of reps to further their own career. You scratch my back etc etc. I hope I am wrong.
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I am told that our airline customers, by that I mean airline execs that will also get a fat payrise and a fatter bonus for shedding staff, think it "INSANE" to award NATS staff a payrise! We are awarding the execs a payrise by giving them a huge dividend!
The unions have lost the plot completely and are being comprehensively outmanaged. Maybe it's time for a joint ATC union of ATCO's, ATSA's, engineers and ATC specialists.
The unions have lost the plot completely and are being comprehensively outmanaged. Maybe it's time for a joint ATC union of ATCO's, ATSA's, engineers and ATC specialists.
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I'm a shareholder and I think its 'INASNE' to award shareholders, noteably the airlines a dividend when NATS has so many in house issues to resolve.
A union for ATCO's, ATSA and Engineers..... I second that
A union for ATCO's, ATSA and Engineers..... I second that
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I have said it before on this thread and I will repeat it.
The NTUS are are spent force. They have been completely outwitted and out manoeuvred by NATS management.
It would be great to get a vote of no confidence in the bunch of and get someone in there that can negotiate effectively and COMMUNICATEwith their members. Unfortunately it is to late. Irreversible damage has been done.
And there is no better example than Brenda Dean.
She used to be the leader of SOGAT the one time millitant Fleet Street print union that ruled the world of newspapers and Fleet Street.
Now she is a Baroness and sits on the board of NATS !!
Murdoch hoodwinked her the same way as Baron has hoodwinked our lot!!
(or was she really on his side all along ?)
The NTUS are are spent force. They have been completely outwitted and out manoeuvred by NATS management.
It would be great to get a vote of no confidence in the bunch of
and get someone in there that can negotiate effectively and COMMUNICATEwith their members. Unfortunately it is to late. Irreversible damage has been done.
The phrase a senior manager told me was 'poacher turned gamekeeper'.
She used to be the leader of SOGAT the one time millitant Fleet Street print union that ruled the world of newspapers and Fleet Street.
Now she is a Baroness and sits on the board of NATS !!
Murdoch hoodwinked her the same way as Baron has hoodwinked our lot!!
(or was she really on his side all along ?)
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So what do we know?
PB pay rise allegedly 9%
PCG grades to be paid bonus
Airline Group to be paid £50 million dividend
Staff who work rather hard to get shafted!
No wonder capitalism is fooked up!
I AM NOT QUITE READY TO BE SHAFTED BY MANAGEMENT!
PB pay rise allegedly 9%
PCG grades to be paid bonus
Airline Group to be paid £50 million dividend
Staff who work rather hard to get shafted!
No wonder capitalism is fooked up!
I AM NOT QUITE READY TO BE SHAFTED BY MANAGEMENT!
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Minesapint.
ATCOs and ATSAs used to be together if you remember but ATCOs broke away to get a better deal...in hindsight.. should have stayed together..looks like chickens are coming home to roost.!!
The unions are a shambles, and as has been said many times "Too many management people" ATCOs and ATSAs who are only interested in getting what they want (to be on other side of fence) and sod the rest of us.
Maybe we should do as Macedonia has done??
ATCOs and ATSAs used to be together if you remember but ATCOs broke away to get a better deal...in hindsight.. should have stayed together..looks like chickens are coming home to roost.!!
The unions are a shambles, and as has been said many times "Too many management people" ATCOs and ATSAs who are only interested in getting what they want (to be on other side of fence) and sod the rest of us.
Maybe we should do as Macedonia has done??
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I am just so unimpressed with the union right now (so much so that I purposely didn't use a captal 'u' for union).
I honestly can't think of anything they can do now to undo all of the damage and undermining of the general workforce (whom they are supposed to represent, and in fact are paid to represent).
And I still think that what we are experiencing now is only the tip of the iceberg....I'm sure worse is to follow. That's how little faith I have in the union protecting us from being walked all over.
They aren't even telling us what is going on any more. When was the last official union announcement (about anything)? After the first "derisory" management pay offer. Wasn't that over a month ago?
Thanks union for fulfilling your own promise of keeping your members informed.
I honestly can't think of anything they can do now to undo all of the damage and undermining of the general workforce (whom they are supposed to represent, and in fact are paid to represent).
And I still think that what we are experiencing now is only the tip of the iceberg....I'm sure worse is to follow. That's how little faith I have in the union protecting us from being walked all over.
They aren't even telling us what is going on any more. When was the last official union announcement (about anything)? After the first "derisory" management pay offer. Wasn't that over a month ago?
Thanks union for fulfilling your own promise of keeping your members informed.