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Estimado AngeleToR,
I have been out of the NZ ATC scene for a few years now, I can't really comment on the current terms and conditions there apart from what you see already on this thread. I do however fly over your country on an almost daily basis it seems.
Lifestyle and climate wise: NZ is probably the mildest place in the world on both counts. Don't expect anything racey, the North West of Spain looks very much the same in many senses, but at least you get a guaranteed summer in Asturias! The family ties and sense of local community in Spain tend to be much stronger too, curiously reflected in the homicide rates and violent crime, which in Spain are far less per capita.
That being said, the population is NZ is so small unless you live close to a disadvantaged group your chances of harm are probably low!
Madrid has a High Commission rather than an embassy, but I certainly wouldn't rule out a taster by way of a holiday which should include that big lovely western island swarming with flies as well.
I know the crap time you've had in Spanish ATC, but the grass always seems verdant green over the fence, and in the case of NZ it probably is , a peso paraque la lluvia.
I have been out of the NZ ATC scene for a few years now, I can't really comment on the current terms and conditions there apart from what you see already on this thread. I do however fly over your country on an almost daily basis it seems.
Lifestyle and climate wise: NZ is probably the mildest place in the world on both counts. Don't expect anything racey, the North West of Spain looks very much the same in many senses, but at least you get a guaranteed summer in Asturias! The family ties and sense of local community in Spain tend to be much stronger too, curiously reflected in the homicide rates and violent crime, which in Spain are far less per capita.
That being said, the population is NZ is so small unless you live close to a disadvantaged group your chances of harm are probably low!
Madrid has a High Commission rather than an embassy, but I certainly wouldn't rule out a taster by way of a holiday which should include that big lovely western island swarming with flies as well.
I know the crap time you've had in Spanish ATC, but the grass always seems verdant green over the fence, and in the case of NZ it probably is , a peso paraque la lluvia.
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Angeletor,
I could stand corrected but your posting reeks of fairly good english!! Having said that, to be able to be issued a NZ ATCO licence you must have passed the English Language Proficiency test. This is a CAA (the regulators) requirement, not Airways. I would doubt (but could be wrong) that Airways would employ someone in the 'hope' that their english would come up to speed as time went on. No harm in trying though. Good luck.
PS. even english speaking people must provide evidence to NZ CAA of language proficiency attached to the application for an ATCO Licence. (That's not a trainee licence, but the actual ATC licence)
I could stand corrected but your posting reeks of fairly good english!! Having said that, to be able to be issued a NZ ATCO licence you must have passed the English Language Proficiency test. This is a CAA (the regulators) requirement, not Airways. I would doubt (but could be wrong) that Airways would employ someone in the 'hope' that their english would come up to speed as time went on. No harm in trying though. Good luck.
PS. even english speaking people must provide evidence to NZ CAA of language proficiency attached to the application for an ATCO Licence. (That's not a trainee licence, but the actual ATC licence)
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Thank you for your answers, siftydog and CA...
CA, as I said earlier, my english skills long ago outraged my current ones, but what the heck, if once I could do it, why won't I do it again???
I'm thinking about taking a holidays on England, or Ireland, and expend the whole day (and night 
) chatting with the 'native' people there... My grammar seems to resist ageing better than my 'speaking'... BCS pilots (my main english-speaking customers) shall give me the reason, and apart from them, my main 'public' is spanish-chatter or french and german VFR pilots that, honestly, I still don't know which language they use to call me... 
CA, you hit the nail regarding the english proficiency test that SHOULD be passed by every ATCO license holder... In spain, the regulator is (almost) the same as the company, so we still haven't gone through the ICAO language tests... But hey, I have a legit ATC license, that I use day after day without the corresponding ICAO language certificate.... How's that possible??? 'Spain is different!!' And this is not the worst issue about the regulator being under the same 'management' as the company, safety gets also compromised, but that's another story for another thread...
So my next milestone, as I though, is improving my english... Thanks for your help and please, don't doubt to add whatever ideas you come up with, I'll be listening to this post...
P.S: CA, something I still haven't found about your country: What about the broadband there??? Let's say in Christchurch, as example and most likely place to live, may I get addmited... My wife and me are computer engineers and we both NEED good broadband and internet access (she needs it to work, I'm just a computer freak ATC, you know...
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CA, as I said earlier, my english skills long ago outraged my current ones, but what the heck, if once I could do it, why won't I do it again???
I'm thinking about taking a holidays on England, or Ireland, and expend the whole day (and night ) chatting with the 'native' people there... My grammar seems to resist ageing better than my 'speaking'... BCS pilots (my main english-speaking customers) shall give me the reason, and apart from them, my main 'public' is spanish-chatter or french and german VFR pilots that, honestly, I still don't know which language they use to call me... CA, you hit the nail regarding the english proficiency test that SHOULD be passed by every ATCO license holder... In spain, the regulator is (almost) the same as the company, so we still haven't gone through the ICAO language tests... But hey, I have a legit ATC license, that I use day after day without the corresponding ICAO language certificate.... How's that possible??? 'Spain is different!!' And this is not the worst issue about the regulator being under the same 'management' as the company, safety gets also compromised, but that's another story for another thread...
So my next milestone, as I though, is improving my english... Thanks for your help and please, don't doubt to add whatever ideas you come up with, I'll be listening to this post...
P.S: CA, something I still haven't found about your country: What about the broadband there??? Let's say in Christchurch, as example and most likely place to live, may I get addmited... My wife and me are computer engineers and we both NEED good broadband and internet access (she needs it to work, I'm just a computer freak ATC, you know...
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I'll be there soon, any recommendations/contacts???
Hi again, CA and other kiwis...
I'll be there (in NZ I mean, of course) by the end of this month, for a couple of weeks at least, to know the country and its people at firsthand, and to prospect the labor market (hopefully as ATC, but not limited to...).
As you can imagine, I've been reading from and talking with people that have been there (on holidays or living short time periods) these last two months and, apart from the fact that NZ is my country's antipode, I've found nothing to keep me (and my family) from trying to start a new life there. Obviously, that depends if we are accepted there, but being IT professionals both my wife and myself (I'm ATC since these last 6 years, so I still remember my previous life) with tons of experience, I'm pretty optimist about our chances as family to get integrated there...
Sooooo, I would like to beg your help, kiwi colleagues, as I would like to meet there with some of you and chat about .... well, everything!!! So little time and so much to do... It will be a great help if any of you accepted to show me your work center (whether it is a TWR or an ACC) and would spend some hours with me answering questions and polishing my 'rusty' english. Of course, I take care of any beverage or food we may need for the task...
Thanks in advance and you can PM me with any personal data, email, phone number or whatever. BTW, I plan to travel both islands from side to side, so nobody would have to move anywhere, I'll do the travelling.
I'll be there (in NZ I mean, of course
) by the end of this month, for a couple of weeks at least, to know the country and its people at firsthand, and to prospect the labor market (hopefully as ATC, but not limited to...).As you can imagine, I've been reading from and talking with people that have been there (on holidays or living short time periods) these last two months and, apart from the fact that NZ is my country's antipode, I've found nothing to keep me (and my family) from trying to start a new life there. Obviously, that depends if we are accepted there, but being IT professionals both my wife and myself (I'm ATC since these last 6 years, so I still remember my previous life) with tons of experience, I'm pretty optimist about our chances as family to get integrated there...
Sooooo, I would like to beg your help, kiwi colleagues, as I would like to meet there with some of you and chat about .... well, everything!!! So little time and so much to do... It will be a great help if any of you accepted to show me your work center (whether it is a TWR or an ACC) and would spend some hours with me answering questions and polishing my 'rusty' english. Of course, I take care of any beverage or food we may need for the task...
Thanks in advance and you can PM me with any personal data, email, phone number or whatever. BTW, I plan to travel both islands from side to side, so nobody would have to move anywhere, I'll do the travelling.
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Reading though this thread I got the impression from one post that en route salaries fall a fair bit short of tower ones and in another post that tower ones are not as good as the en route ones ... which one is it (I remember trying to look up the salaries in Australia in the new agreement but I was not familiar enough with the acronyms to know which table represented the salary for an ACTO!).
btw - guessing the lovely big fly infested island to the west is Australia? They don't have flies in NZ?
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btw - guessing the lovely big fly infested island to the west is Australia? They don't have flies in NZ?
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yes we have flies - just not annoying ones that make you want to wear a hat with corks dangling off it.
re the salary
regional towers (Band A), then
international towers and enroute (Band B), then
oceanic (Band C), then
terminal (Band D)
Band A lowest - Band D highest.
Angel - NZ ATC units welcome visitors. Just ring when you are over here to arrange a visit. The main centre is in Christchurch - Oceanic in Auckland. Just ring towers or centre (CH or AA) a day prior and I'm sure it won't be a problem to visit any of them when you are in their particular town/city.
re the salary
regional towers (Band A), then
international towers and enroute (Band B), then
oceanic (Band C), then
terminal (Band D)
Band A lowest - Band D highest.
Angel - NZ ATC units welcome visitors. Just ring when you are over here to arrange a visit. The main centre is in Christchurch - Oceanic in Auckland. Just ring towers or centre (CH or AA) a day prior and I'm sure it won't be a problem to visit any of them when you are in their particular town/city.
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Thank you to guys that answered giving me contact info, you'll get contacted for sure....
A bunch of flies won't scare me nor my family. The place were we live right now is beautiful, two minutes walking and you're off the road walking on tracks, pure nature nearby, but hospitals, services and shopping 10 minutes by car. But... we have the most sticky, noisy, awful and naughty flies I've ever seen... There is a cow farm 1Km away, with also a chicken farm side by side, where apart of milk, meat and eggs, they 'manufacture' the nastier flies you can imagine (and from time to time the nastier odors too)... The only 'but' to my current home...
CA, you can bet that I'll be knocking on everyone's doors once I get there, three weeks with me fooling around will make you all wish time flies just to get rid of me...
Kind regards, and hoping to meet all you soon, Angel
A bunch of flies won't scare me nor my family. The place were we live right now is beautiful, two minutes walking and you're off the road walking on tracks, pure nature nearby, but hospitals, services and shopping 10 minutes by car. But... we have the most sticky, noisy, awful and naughty flies I've ever seen... There is a cow farm 1Km away, with also a chicken farm side by side, where apart of milk, meat and eggs, they 'manufacture' the nastier flies you can imagine (and from time to time the nastier odors too)... The only 'but' to my current home...
CA, you can bet that I'll be knocking on everyone's doors once I get there, three weeks with me fooling around will make you all wish time flies just to get rid of me...
Kind regards, and hoping to meet all you soon, Angel
Just one thing it would be wise not to ignore, AngelTor, if you're planning on living here and your wife needs the sunshine, is that there isn't much ozone above NZ (nor parts of Aussie) and sunburn can be a serious problem. The air is clear, there's not much ozone, and in summer burn times are typically about 11 minutes.
This region has one of the highest, if not the highest, skin cancer rates in the world.
I'd treat warnings associated with this seriously, especially in regard to the kids.
Early days yet, for this warning, I know, but forewarned is forearmed. People still sunbathe here, but usually with lots of sunscreen, and not for prolonged periods.
This region has one of the highest, if not the highest, skin cancer rates in the world.
I'd treat warnings associated with this seriously, especially in regard to the kids.
Early days yet, for this warning, I know, but forewarned is forearmed. People still sunbathe here, but usually with lots of sunscreen, and not for prolonged periods.
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Tarq57, I've already read about the high UV index in NZ, thank you very much... Luckily for us, being from Spain, we also 'enjoy' lots of sunlight during the summer, and our skin is not as white as european people, we get really tanned really fast. That doesn't mean I spit in the face of danger, my grandfather died with skin cancer, and I have lots of spots in my skin, so we don't play with that. My wife needs, more than sun to be the whole day lying getting tanned, just some months of nice weather, and that those sum more than the 'grey foggy' ones.
Gate4, I've already sent all my data to HHRR staff via that page, back in midde february, but still no answer either way. That's the reason for the trip, showing some REAL interest and having an interview face to face, may the chance arise. Anyway, as I told, ATC is not the only thing I can do, in fact I've got a better curriculum as IT manager than ATC, job that I left to become ATC. Of course I love my current job, but my family is the first for me and if I had to leave control for them, I won't doubt in doing so... In fact, in Spain, I will give it up anyway and return to IT, should we decide to stay or couldn't get a job there... Hard times here, too much pressure and some incredible laws where just culture is just a fancy word void of meaning. Just recall the incredible situation with the two italian ATCOs imprisoned for doing their job, in Spain will be MUCH worse if that ever happens
... I don't want to bore you, we can talk about this subjects for hours (with a fresh beer nearby, of course in my account).
Well guys, it's 02.43 local (00.43UTC) in this side of the world, have a good day there and hope to see you soon!!!
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Gate4, I've already sent all my data to HHRR staff via that page, back in midde february, but still no answer either way. That's the reason for the trip, showing some REAL interest and having an interview face to face, may the chance arise. Anyway, as I told, ATC is not the only thing I can do, in fact I've got a better curriculum as IT manager than ATC, job that I left to become ATC. Of course I love my current job, but my family is the first for me and if I had to leave control for them, I won't doubt in doing so... In fact, in Spain, I will give it up anyway and return to IT, should we decide to stay or couldn't get a job there... Hard times here, too much pressure and some incredible laws where just culture is just a fancy word void of meaning. Just recall the incredible situation with the two italian ATCOs imprisoned for doing their job, in Spain will be MUCH worse if that ever happens
... I don't want to bore you, we can talk about this subjects for hours (with a fresh beer nearby, of course in my account).Well guys, it's 02.43 local (00.43UTC) in this side of the world, have a good day there and hope to see you soon!!!
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No vacancies for me.
Hello!
As my collegue AngeleToR, I also gave it a try at NZ (Spain is slowly but steadly shifting to a banana republic ...), but no joy: no vacancies at the present time for my profile. What a pitty: wife was already convinced that it would be a perfect place to begin a new life with the kids!
Saludos!
As my collegue AngeleToR, I also gave it a try at NZ (Spain is slowly but steadly shifting to a banana republic
...), but no joy: no vacancies at the present time for my profile. What a pitty: wife was already convinced that it would be a perfect place to begin a new life with the kids!Saludos!
