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Old 17th Jun 2008, 19:46
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Listen up...........

Make noise boys and girls.We all know what can happen when we do.Mandate our executive to both keep us all informed and ensure management adhere to the agreement.Failure to do so should incur the wrath of us all.We have all taken too much sit for far too long,in ALL stations.We are not schoolkids nor do we act like schoolkids and accordingly should not be treated like juveniles.What we are is a group of professionals being managed by a group of amateurs.This forum has paid handsome dividends in the past.How many of us are still unable to access PPRuNe at work?
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Old 17th Jun 2008, 20:05
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30mins, just like yours?
Not Yet.
some of your colleagues were happy to sacrifice them in favour of Off Time
True. '' SOME'' a minority of staff still can't see the light. Fatigue breaks are far more important than off time. Not that there is much of that available.
nobody seems willing to provide the resources to train those staff in DUB positions
Under utilisation of staff is a massive problem within the IAA both in Shannon and Dublin. Many controllers are looking for extra ratings and are constantly being knocked back while the IAA cherry pick who goes forward for what course and who get's chosen for expert duties. There is no make , shape or sense to the process in which ratings and duties are handed out. Coupled with that the IAA still don't know WTF to do with LOw Level. The plan changes weekly.
Mis management and lack of resources is a significant contributing factor to the low morale at both stations. Basically staff are saying '' if you don't want to make use of me, Your loss''.
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Old 17th Jun 2008, 21:46
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IRLATCO,

I'm a little confused as to what we have been doing so far . We put up a fuss, we got the union to represent us. And what exactly did it get us. A few extra bob that we did'nt want.

A few extra controllers that are conspicuous by their absence. And the knowledge that if the union and management throw some green our way we'll back down. As far as I can see the last few months were a complete waste of time. Management still have'nt changed.

We all know that they will never take our threats seriously, after all we backed down over the strike issue once we saw the cash.

Let's face it, we got treated like crap, and we're still getting treated like crap. So forgive me if I don't share your optimistic outlook but I for one have lost all faith in the union's ability to handle this.

Good luck to you all but personally I don't give a s anymore.

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Old 17th Jun 2008, 22:46
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A few extra controllers that are conspicuous by their absence
Questions need to be asked about the IAA's handling of its direct recruitment campaign.
As far as I can see the last few months were a complete waste of time. Management still have'nt changed.
I would agree with this comment to a degree because management have reneged on and mis-interpreted agreements.
[. Management still haven't changed but the controllers attitudes have. Dublin controllers initiative in the last dispute was the catalyst for the galvanisation of all IAA controllers.
Let's face it, we got treated like crap, and we're still getting treated like crap. So forgive me if I don't share your optimistic outlook but I for one have lost all faith in the union's ability to handle this.
I share in your disappointment bro but if we let the negativity creep in we're all fooked.The easiest thing to do is blame the union but would we swap seats with them? No chance! One thing we do have is the power to change our representatives. I think they were conned though . We were all sold another IAA puppy.
I don't give a s anymore
you and the rest of us.
Many lessons were learned from the last dispute. It was a real eye opener for all controllers to witness the desperate measures used by the IAA to Fck their staff over!
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 19:50
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Happy or not?

What are the numbers like now in Dublin?
Shannon is in dire straits again.The roster is consistently running understaffed and there appears to be no effort whatsoever to implement any form of flow control.We would appear to be back where we were several months ago,yet no one seems to be batting an eyelid.What the hell are we doing?
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Old 23rd Jun 2008, 01:13
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Minus one since the Spring Riots.

Still, on the bright side, at least the radar shouldn't crash for another four thousand years. We will probably be fully staffed by then.
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Old 23rd Jun 2008, 05:41
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You guys sure don't make it sound very appealing to work for IAA. I applied but I am having second thoughts. You won't get any more staff if you keep scaring people off.
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Old 23rd Jun 2008, 08:46
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you smell like management

Healey, any prospective employee would be very grateful for the insight into what is actually going on here. You have got to weigh up the pros and cons. Any controller who is making his decision , after one posting, is very strange. If after ,alot of thought and investigation, you decide it's best not to come here, that's fine. You need to talk to the controllers on the ground before making a decision. Any controller ,with an ounce of common sense ,would have found a contact within the IAA inc direct entries already working here and spoken, at length, with them. , Elaborate , what have you heard about the IAA? I will verify if you are right or wrong as will my colleagues. Don't bother sending me a pm . Get it out into the open . Let me know what you thought of the recruitment campaign and how your application has been dealt with.. You claim to be a prospective employee , yet you only have one posting. You don't actually smell like management.
You stink like management!
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Old 23rd Jun 2008, 10:38
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Management, Jeez why not call me a leper while your at it!! I do have a contact in Shannon and his reports seem fine. As to how my application is/has been dealt with, I have heard basically nothing other than they are shortlisting and we will hear in due course. Not exactly rushing things. It has been over a month since applications closed. I know of others here who have also heard nothing. Meantime DFS seem more interested in my services.......
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Old 23rd Jun 2008, 13:54
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IAA Management take note

Meantime DFS seem more interested in my services.......
In case anyone is in any doubt. Most, if not all ,IAA managers watch this forum. Come on lads , it's becoming more and more apparent that you couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
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Old 23rd Jun 2008, 20:19
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Hey Verci,
It is indeed greener, but haven't had the chance to go salmon or trout fishing yet!
But a good craic it is!!
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Old 25th Jun 2008, 12:35
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IAA service conditions

I have recently applied for the direct entry position of area radar control. Am still waiting to hear from IAA.
Could any of you please tell me where I could expect to be deployed, and secondly, what type of salary could I expect to be paid if I bring eight years of area radar control experience. Any outline of other benefits would also be appreciated.

Thanks!!
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Old 25th Jun 2008, 18:33
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Any applicants out there, check your email inboxes.
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Old 25th Jun 2008, 22:19
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Inbox checked. Empty. Now what?
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Old 25th Jun 2008, 22:47
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galliwalli

The current policy is pay commensurate with experience. Every year of experience equates to a corresponding point on the pay scale. We have 18 points on the scale. 8 years is point 8 on scale which is about 80k not including public holidays ( if worked ). We're nearing the end of pay negotiations. I'll pm more accurate info if i can find it.
Area radar = Shannon
App = Dublin.
Other benefits mmmmmmmmmmmm, you get to work in Ireland.

Despite everything posted here and on other threads, we're nice people to work with - mostly!
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Old 26th Jun 2008, 00:40
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benefits

you get to work with us
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you get to live here
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but be patient
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Old 26th Jun 2008, 10:23
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Originally Posted by beamwidth
Area radar = Shannon
App = Dublin.
I wouldn't be so certain.

We have 17 people rated for Shannon APP in Dublin [1 position]
I'd say 50+ people rated for Dublin APP [usually 1 position, 2 with a holding controller]
In a sectorised environment we need 5 AREA ratings in position.

The one thing we don't need is APP!

Last I heard there will be an AREA rating course for some direct entries in Dublin, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the contract staff are TWR.

Current AREA shortages are being covered by call-ins.
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Old 26th Jun 2008, 15:44
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Sniff sniff....sniff sniff...

Was I dreaming about some back pay due to us!!! Ya see, I'm in a bit of a rush to get it!!!!
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Old 26th Jun 2008, 17:52
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backpay

think we all have it spent already
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Old 26th Jun 2008, 18:07
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I'd never do such a thing...............!!!!
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