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Ras al Khaimah (RAK)
Rak is the northenmost Emirate about an hours drive from Dubai. Few schools and one mall that I know of, life is at a very relaxed pace. Like most satellite Emirates who look upon Dubai's success for their own benefit, RAK at the moment is trying to capitalize by building several new projects along the coast including their own version of the palm. The airport is a single runway catering mainly for cargo IL76's and some military and VFR traffic although RAK airways will soon be up and running with its own airline (OK OK so its just one 757 for now!!).If you are looking for somewhere you can spend the time where work will not interfere much with your daily life then I guess RAK is for you.
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F-K-D...
I asked one of the locals if he knew what an airway was...and even popped in a question about airway wake sep........ Boy he was confused...
hahahahahahaha..
c u soon
I asked one of the locals if he knew what an airway was...and even popped in a question about airway wake sep........ Boy he was confused...
hahahahahahaha..
c u soon
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That distance is realtive to the amount of brownies consumed or so I hear. C'mon guys let get back on topic, how little everyone in the middle east is paid and how al ain is included in that group!!!
(This post is in no way derrogatory to anyone in ALN, I've seen what happens there at 9am every weekday morning, no thanks!)
(This post is in no way derrogatory to anyone in ALN, I've seen what happens there at 9am every weekday morning, no thanks!)
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Isn't it airport income propotional with controllers salary?
ALN might be extremly busy during weekday mornings, but there's no income to the airport since most of it is military training flights.
The UAE airport income list could be something like this:
1) UAE ACC (en-route)
2) DXB
3) AUH
4) SHJ
5) FJR
6) RAK
7) ALN
So wouldn't (or shouldn't) the controllers be paid accordingly?
ALN might be extremly busy during weekday mornings, but there's no income to the airport since most of it is military training flights.
The UAE airport income list could be something like this:
1) UAE ACC (en-route)
2) DXB
3) AUH
4) SHJ
5) FJR
6) RAK
7) ALN
So wouldn't (or shouldn't) the controllers be paid accordingly?
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Isn't it airport income propotional with controllers salary?
ATCO's salaries are generally based on demand and supply like everything else in the world. But generally speaking ATC salaries are always based on the country's ability to pay. If you are saying that they should pay according to the amount of traffic they handle then perhaps you should try counting the number of aircraft you handle in EACH SECTOR.That should make DUBAI no.1 hands down!!
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Hey Falcon....
If you are saying that they should pay according to the amount of traffic they handle then perhaps you should try counting the number of aircraft you handle in EACH SECTOR.That should make DUBAI no.1 hands down!!
Please don't utter such sh!te on an open forum!!! Especially when you know there are UAE controllers looking in!
In case you haven't yet joined the dots...just where do you think all your traffic comes from and goes to?
Oh yes, and as you are probably aware (or maybe not if you are still training)... we have a few overflyers as well
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And this ladies and gentlemen is exactly the reason that nothing around here EVER improves...because we can't stand together and everything has to turn into a p!$$!ng contest.
Get back to the thread guys and let's see if we can't actually achieve something and maybe even help each other out sometime!!!
We live in hope!?!
Get back to the thread guys and let's see if we can't actually achieve something and maybe even help each other out sometime!!!
We live in hope!?!
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Dr.Evil what are you talking about? Are you saying Al Ain and military controllers should be working for free because the airport doesn't generate any income????
FJR ahead of RAK and ALN?
Ohhhhhh well using that logic leaves out UAE ACC altogether as they are nowhere near an airport.........lol
Anyway, the Top 3 list is definately:
1) ACC
2) DXB
3) AUH
Basic salary should be the same for all UAE radar controllers (less for non-radar) and then add a station allowance. Housing is different from DXB to AUH to ALN to FJR so that must be negotiated somehow.
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The numbers...
Got the traffic numbers for August in front of me for anyone interested:
UAE ACC 40706
OMDB 20436
OMAA 4947
OMSJ 4191
OMFJ 439
OMRK 387
OMAL 193
(Don't know if that includes VFR) Some internal flights and overflights involved so the ACC is not simply a sum of the airports.
Incidently this is a 12% increase over August 2006.
UAE ACC 40706
OMDB 20436
OMAA 4947
OMSJ 4191
OMFJ 439
OMRK 387
OMAL 193
(Don't know if that includes VFR) Some internal flights and overflights involved so the ACC is not simply a sum of the airports.
Incidently this is a 12% increase over August 2006.
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World War II stories.....
Re "The Numbers" from The Shue
When I worked in DXB from 1990 to '95 we used to do all the arrivals/departures for SHJ as well as DXB, is this still the case? In those days we just had 1 ATCO in the tower (with 1 assistant - is Phillip still there?) and 1 ATCO on APP RADAR (also with an assistant). Single runway most of the time, with the odd busy hour of 35 to 40 movements. On doggo's we worked 2 hours on Radar, 2 hours break, 2 hours tower and 2 hours break (or a mix of these). Worked hard at times, however I used to get 13,500 DHS a month, and most of the accom was either Deira Tower or the 100 villas on the beach at Jebel Ali! Still have good friends from those days. Mind you, I think Dubai was a much more pleasant "backwater" in those days than it has turned out to be. Wasn't too many Aussies there then, generally only about 3 of us. C'arn the Wallabies...I watched the '91 World cup win (by Wallabies of course) at the old Ski club on Deira Creek.....haven't seen too much of the "Bleks" since then!!
When I worked in DXB from 1990 to '95 we used to do all the arrivals/departures for SHJ as well as DXB, is this still the case? In those days we just had 1 ATCO in the tower (with 1 assistant - is Phillip still there?) and 1 ATCO on APP RADAR (also with an assistant). Single runway most of the time, with the odd busy hour of 35 to 40 movements. On doggo's we worked 2 hours on Radar, 2 hours break, 2 hours tower and 2 hours break (or a mix of these). Worked hard at times, however I used to get 13,500 DHS a month, and most of the accom was either Deira Tower or the 100 villas on the beach at Jebel Ali! Still have good friends from those days. Mind you, I think Dubai was a much more pleasant "backwater" in those days than it has turned out to be. Wasn't too many Aussies there then, generally only about 3 of us. C'arn the Wallabies...I watched the '91 World cup win (by Wallabies of course) at the old Ski club on Deira Creek.....haven't seen too much of the "Bleks" since then!!
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Read what is written duude
Duck, I know where all traffic comes from but it seems you cannot read properly even if I make it bold for you. So here it goes again EACH SECTOR that means each controller and that means how many aircarft you handle per head. If that is sh!te for you perhaps you should read how they benchmark controller performance at Eurocontrol. I am not training and I have plenty of experience especially in ACC and I know exactly what both jobs entail. Just in case you are training and haven't realised approach has to deal with VFR and traffic into SHJ and RAK as well beside having to deal with much more complex situations. I agree 100% with mushroom. This list should never have been brought into this forum. Comparisions are odious and it seems certain poeple are only capable of pushing their situation up by trying to bring others down. We are all controllers and if someone thinks he should be paid more than other controllers for whatever reason perhaps you should point it out to those paying your salary instead of a forum!!
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Hey Shoo
(Don't know if that includes VFR)
you really don't have much idea about what goes on around here do you.
Al Ain does the quoted number of movements every weekday before you have finished wiping lunch off the front of your shirt.
They may be mostly VFR but it only takes 1 IFR amongst them to make for a LOT of work.
And even VFR's have to be spoken too - not so easy when they are all training and have apalling radio procedures.
If you think Al Ain should be at the bottom of the heap and paid less than anybody else, go up and try it sometime.
Last edited by African Queen; 28th Sep 2007 at 15:01.