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Thats interesting you say that Rat, since that is what my spies in Dubai tell me has been offered to at least 2 want-aways. I guess we will see.
I seem to remember you were one telling me I was a crawler for saying Serco would win the last contract (They won it). I was also called dellusional for thinking 33,000 dh's would be offered to all Serco Controllers in the UAE ACC (We got it).
I honestly believe that the ATCO salaries are in the midst of a big upward curve at the moment, all due to the huge shortage that has developed in the Gulf for controllers coupled with the huge increase in traffic. The ANS providers here are finding it more and more difficult to put bumbs on seats and the Sheikhs aren't going to let their shiny new A380's sit parked, or their big new airport sit unused due to a few million dirhams that wasn't spent on enticing controllers to stay and new controllers to come.
It is a good time to be a controller here in the UAE and if you can ride out the bumps, I really think we are in a strong position to demand much higher salaries.
I seem to remember you were one telling me I was a crawler for saying Serco would win the last contract (They won it). I was also called dellusional for thinking 33,000 dh's would be offered to all Serco Controllers in the UAE ACC (We got it).
I honestly believe that the ATCO salaries are in the midst of a big upward curve at the moment, all due to the huge shortage that has developed in the Gulf for controllers coupled with the huge increase in traffic. The ANS providers here are finding it more and more difficult to put bumbs on seats and the Sheikhs aren't going to let their shiny new A380's sit parked, or their big new airport sit unused due to a few million dirhams that wasn't spent on enticing controllers to stay and new controllers to come.
It is a good time to be a controller here in the UAE and if you can ride out the bumps, I really think we are in a strong position to demand much higher salaries.
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can you guys not use skype in the UAE to make your calls?? By the way, the bonus pay in Abu Dhabi, is that a full months including allowances, or is it on base pay only??
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I still have 9 pages but yes there have been some posts deleted. I also read about the BAH situation with the 4 locals resigning in the last 60 days and another 6 locals probably about to pull the plug.....
also note that ASA is currently putting together a bid for the BAH contract...so you better hope they do not get it or the pay will be really ****,
In a nutshell the ****e is about to hit the fan over the next 3-6 months in the middle east; (Muscat, AUH area and airport, DXB, shj and BAH and possibly even Doha)...as they will all be bidding for a very small group of possible controllers who will be willing to move there and put up with all of the bullsh#t with living there. As said before they all will probably need over 200 plus controllers just to fill existing and future requirements, let alone replacing future departures
the time for them is to act NOW...the highest bidder will win the best controllers
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I still have 9 pages but yes there have been some posts deleted. I also read about the BAH situation with the 4 locals resigning in the last 60 days and another 6 locals probably about to pull the plug.....
also note that ASA is currently putting together a bid for the BAH contract...so you better hope they do not get it or the pay will be really ****,
In a nutshell the ****e is about to hit the fan over the next 3-6 months in the middle east; (Muscat, AUH area and airport, DXB, shj and BAH and possibly even Doha)...as they will all be bidding for a very small group of possible controllers who will be willing to move there and put up with all of the bullsh#t with living there. As said before they all will probably need over 200 plus controllers just to fill existing and future requirements, let alone replacing future departures
the time for them is to act NOW...the highest bidder will win the best controllers
over and out
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Thanks. I figured out why I only have 5 pages. When logged in, my preferences are set to display 40 messages per page, but when I'm a guest, there are less per page.
I understand what you're saying about the problems with numbers of controllers and associated pay issues. We just have to hope that the airlines put enough pressure on the Govt's to increase the numbers. Then they may recognise the need to pay more.
There certainly are interesting times afoot.
I understand what you're saying about the problems with numbers of controllers and associated pay issues. We just have to hope that the airlines put enough pressure on the Govt's to increase the numbers. Then they may recognise the need to pay more.
There certainly are interesting times afoot.
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As Rod Stewarts ex Kiwi scrag wife used to say in a shampoo ad, "It won't heppen overnight but it weel heppen".
This part of the world as we all know is extremely unpredictable but I am pretty sure that we will be seeing that kind of money at least, very very soon. Bahrain is getting desperate for staff, Dubai is already desperate, UAE Centre is short and will be critically short in the next 6 months with lots of Scandihooligans about to leave, Muscat is getting staffed up but the guys arriving there are realising they are being underpaid by Gulf standards now, and does Qatar have any controllers anymore (they certainly don't answer their line these days). It all points to a big investment in ATCO recruitment, and since all the 3rd world controller experiments have failed it leaves us Western Expats in a very very very good position.
This part of the world as we all know is extremely unpredictable but I am pretty sure that we will be seeing that kind of money at least, very very soon. Bahrain is getting desperate for staff, Dubai is already desperate, UAE Centre is short and will be critically short in the next 6 months with lots of Scandihooligans about to leave, Muscat is getting staffed up but the guys arriving there are realising they are being underpaid by Gulf standards now, and does Qatar have any controllers anymore (they certainly don't answer their line these days). It all points to a big investment in ATCO recruitment, and since all the 3rd world controller experiments have failed it leaves us Western Expats in a very very very good position.
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DCA. Have they started Direct Hire.
Question for you guys in Dubai. Does anyone know if DCA has made any offers for direct hire. Also, are they targeting only the current Dubai controllers who have resigned or in process of resigning. Wondering if the DCA would be interested in talking to ex Dubai controllers who have left within the last 18 months or so. If so, any contact details for sending email.
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BAH Salaries??
Can anyone advise what should I be seeking from my illustrious employer if the BAH bid comes off? The package they are proposing (without numbers):
- An Annualised base salary
- End of Contract payment
- Monthly housing allowance (for furnished accommodation) inclusive of utility costs.
(Time in Lieu - no overtime for additional shifts)
- economy airfares home each year.
- health and medical international insurance cover.
- Contribution to educational costs in BAH (can be used for boarding in AUS).
In particular:
What are the housing costs for a 3-4 brm home in a decent area?
How much is my kids education going to cost? (2 kids, 1 primary, 1 secondary)?
How much to buy/run a car or 2?
General cost of living compared to AUS?
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Aus ATC
- An Annualised base salary
- End of Contract payment
- Monthly housing allowance (for furnished accommodation) inclusive of utility costs.
(Time in Lieu - no overtime for additional shifts)
- economy airfares home each year.
- health and medical international insurance cover.
- Contribution to educational costs in BAH (can be used for boarding in AUS).
In particular:
What are the housing costs for a 3-4 brm home in a decent area?
How much is my kids education going to cost? (2 kids, 1 primary, 1 secondary)?
How much to buy/run a car or 2?
General cost of living compared to AUS?
Thanks,
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BAH Salaries
123777,
Thanks, (back at page 9)
It's the housing and school allowances that need to go a good way to covering the costs. If Air Services Australia wins this contract, I would only take the job if it was seriously worth my while. Sounds like the current gig isn't as good as other locations in the sandpit. But can it get better?
Aus ATC
Thanks, (back at page 9)
It's the housing and school allowances that need to go a good way to covering the costs. If Air Services Australia wins this contract, I would only take the job if it was seriously worth my while. Sounds like the current gig isn't as good as other locations in the sandpit. But can it get better?
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Middle East Salaries - Part 2
It is a crying shame that the original thread remains blocked for such a long time. Hidden in between the mud throwing there were a few pearls of wisdom that some of us found worthwhile keeping up with.
My question is could someone please provide us mere mortals an update on the Dubai DCA direct hiring and the salaries being offered.
My sources indicate that Dubai DCA has pulled back from direct hire and negotiating a new deal with SERCO.
My question is could someone please provide us mere mortals an update on the Dubai DCA direct hiring and the salaries being offered.
My sources indicate that Dubai DCA has pulled back from direct hire and negotiating a new deal with SERCO.
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Serco have yet to come back with an offer to their chaps and at the moment pay 33000 monthly + gratuity (under UAE labour law the gratuity is good after 3 yrs and better after 5 yrs). + a savings/pension plan called SORAS (A good scheme).
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Verci...
Regarding the figures, firstly we don't have any GCAA Deputy Supes or Expatriate full time supes so there is no advertised pay rate for that slot.
Only the Nationals get OJTI allowance with GCAA, not the expatriates.
With respect the overall package, the only thing officially mentioned in our new contract (received only a few days ago) is the actual Salary breakdown and the entitlement to a Gratuity in accordance with the government legislation. Nothing officially stated regarding the 3-5% or annual bonus.
We still only get the 45 days leave too which falls short of the Serco 56, and our medical cover is only for UAE.
With the new Serco package as of Jan, it’s a much of a muchness between the two.
Only the Nationals get OJTI allowance with GCAA, not the expatriates.
With respect the overall package, the only thing officially mentioned in our new contract (received only a few days ago) is the actual Salary breakdown and the entitlement to a Gratuity in accordance with the government legislation. Nothing officially stated regarding the 3-5% or annual bonus.
We still only get the 45 days leave too which falls short of the Serco 56, and our medical cover is only for UAE.
With the new Serco package as of Jan, it’s a much of a muchness between the two.
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I read, I laugh but as someone said, there certainly are a few pearls in here! We are 2 days away from a BAH meeting to tell us the probable outcome for the contract....keep watching !!!!!!!!!
There seems to be two types of person here in the thread.........ANSA Ver Duck, keep up the good work, When I know more I'll add but not one for conjecture........Rat and those of your type, go find a thread that suits your abilities, not one that can be of use not only to us sandpitters but to those genuinely looking for a change/place to run away too/ top up a tan.
Whoever runs these contracts will have to make improvements and I think ANSA has it right, roll with it and see what pans out. The recent meeting with Emirates in Dubai highlighted the problems and a black and white answer is, pay the correct figure and more, good staff will appear. We all know these wheels take a while to move but when they do they come from high up.
Keep smiling and listen.........BAH is not a Mid Air waiting to happen..........No incidence for 2 months.
.......BAH.Safest Airspace in the World(probably).
Sheep out. for now
There seems to be two types of person here in the thread.........ANSA Ver Duck, keep up the good work, When I know more I'll add but not one for conjecture........Rat and those of your type, go find a thread that suits your abilities, not one that can be of use not only to us sandpitters but to those genuinely looking for a change/place to run away too/ top up a tan.
Whoever runs these contracts will have to make improvements and I think ANSA has it right, roll with it and see what pans out. The recent meeting with Emirates in Dubai highlighted the problems and a black and white answer is, pay the correct figure and more, good staff will appear. We all know these wheels take a while to move but when they do they come from high up.
Keep smiling and listen.........BAH is not a Mid Air waiting to happen..........No incidence for 2 months.
.......BAH.Safest Airspace in the World(probably).Sheep out. for now
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Cashmere suits or Nylon trousers!
It is not what you wear that determines your salary. The 40K is not enough. Meets inflation and currency depreciation figures only.Look at the canadian dollar aprreciating 16 percent in one month! to surpass parity with US. Same with all other currencies.
To those that are here, we all need to make more money to stay. But to attract the numbers required in the next 3 years, They will need a HK type of offer where the applications are 10fold the required bodies.
It will not be a Serco contract. This is only my opinion, I have no information that would make it anything but a rumour.!Sorry
To those that are here, we all need to make more money to stay. But to attract the numbers required in the next 3 years, They will need a HK type of offer where the applications are 10fold the required bodies.
It will not be a Serco contract. This is only my opinion, I have no information that would make it anything but a rumour.!Sorry
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I have to agree about Canada. Booming minerals & energy economy and a lack of a Trade Deficit. With the US economy heading the other way, and, it'll be heading that way for a long time... the Canadian dollar is on a rocket-ride to gold. What the ME has for the Antipodeans, which Canada doesn't, is the tax status. For the investment punters out there who aren't in a hurry to head back home, it's still worth digging your castle in the sand pit for some time to come. For those who prefer the security that comes with a salary-based family income and stability. Make this year's family holiday a trip to Canada... and don't forget to pack your CV.
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NiceVectoring and Heywa, I don't know what Dubai got or Bahrain got, but in the UAE ACC we have got 480,000 dh's a year, plus private medical coverage and company contributions into savings scheme are paid for.
Some people still not happy and saying it should be more. I am very happy and it looks like the dark side will have to wait. I for one would like to thank Serco for dipping into their own pocket to make up the difference. Well done
Some people still not happy and saying it should be more. I am very happy and it looks like the dark side will have to wait. I for one would like to thank Serco for dipping into their own pocket to make up the difference. Well done
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ANSA I doubt Serco did it out of the goodness of their heart and the timing of the payrise is quite cynical.
Having said that with my company flat, 56 days leave & 40K/month package is looking pretty good for 2008.
However if things go pear shaped for Serco come 2009 (new contract) and I have to go over to the 'dark side', 2009 & 2010 aren't looking that rosey.
Inflation last year 9.6%, UBS are forecasting around 14% for 2007, school fees to rise 15+% this year and the Ozzie dollar has appreciated over 20% since Dec 2005. 40K is not going to be enough for a small family like mine.
Having said that with my company flat, 56 days leave & 40K/month package is looking pretty good for 2008.
However if things go pear shaped for Serco come 2009 (new contract) and I have to go over to the 'dark side', 2009 & 2010 aren't looking that rosey.
Inflation last year 9.6%, UBS are forecasting around 14% for 2007, school fees to rise 15+% this year and the Ozzie dollar has appreciated over 20% since Dec 2005. 40K is not going to be enough for a small family like mine.
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I agree Funk that if the dollar keeps going the way it is and inflation in the UAE persists, then the rises will have to keep on coming. One thing I have learnt here though is not to look too far ahead. Things are constantly changing and they will continue to change. The payrises that have happened in the last 18 months to 2 years are just the start and as the shortage for controllers bites even harder (and it will) the need for even more lofty salaries will win through.
As I have said before if you are willing to stick it out, and ride the ups and downs, there is some good money to be made here in the sandpit.
Also Funk I know the rise wasn't out of the kindness of their hearts and was out of necessity but still it was a smart thing to do and something that they have found hard to stomach doing in the past. For that I was saying well done.
As I have said before if you are willing to stick it out, and ride the ups and downs, there is some good money to be made here in the sandpit.
Also Funk I know the rise wasn't out of the kindness of their hearts and was out of necessity but still it was a smart thing to do and something that they have found hard to stomach doing in the past. For that I was saying well done.