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Prefer not to be specific in an open forum - you know how bitchy people can be!
Surely you have a contact in AUH or ALN u can phone for details.
Heard about your upcoming leap ahead in RAK. Hope it works out better than it did in Al Ain - they got radar 3 or so years ago and never manned it. Now they are taking the control to AUH.
Doubling staff huh? I wonder where they will find them. The new allowances are OK but I don't think it will result in a flood of CV's to SERCo, especially if inflation keeps going at its current rate.
Surely you have a contact in AUH or ALN u can phone for details.
Heard about your upcoming leap ahead in RAK. Hope it works out better than it did in Al Ain - they got radar 3 or so years ago and never manned it. Now they are taking the control to AUH.
Doubling staff huh? I wonder where they will find them. The new allowances are OK but I don't think it will result in a flood of CV's to SERCo, especially if inflation keeps going at its current rate.
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Well done guys and not before time too... market forces apply perhaps? Seems within the region it's just the Omani's that are dragging the chain now. One resignation recently with more to follow no doubt....
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I don't think the pay increase (37%) at Abu Dhabi TWR/APP should be kept as a secret so here's the annual starting salary in AED (Dirhams) for the Serco contract:
Basic 170.000
ATC allowance 30.000
Cost of living allowance 73.200
Money in your hand = 273.200 (22.767 monthly)
Housing 113.400 (if cost of housing is less the balance will be paid)
Utilities 6.000
Schoolling for up to two children 76.000
Travel allowance varies depending on family status but roughly 10.000 - 16.000
Basic medical cover, visa/labour cost, loss of license and end of service gratuity included in the contract.
Basic 170.000
ATC allowance 30.000
Cost of living allowance 73.200
Money in your hand = 273.200 (22.767 monthly)
Housing 113.400 (if cost of housing is less the balance will be paid)
Utilities 6.000
Schoolling for up to two children 76.000
Travel allowance varies depending on family status but roughly 10.000 - 16.000
Basic medical cover, visa/labour cost, loss of license and end of service gratuity included in the contract.
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not so good
despite the increases for AUH/aln the whole package still is less attractive than the GCAA package if you ask me, but depends again on whether you are married with kids or single.
If single and unattached or married and no kids then you would be laughing all the way to the bank, especially if the Mrs could get work
anyway, good that you guys got something, better than nothing, but still a long way to go.
If single and unattached or married and no kids then you would be laughing all the way to the bank, especially if the Mrs could get work
anyway, good that you guys got something, better than nothing, but still a long way to go.
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PMS, My Way, Yakkity Yak, Et Al....You know who you is!
Buddy, why are you so concerned about goings on here in the sandpit?! 
At the end of the day you won't get a job back here as you are 'infamous' and with this comes the added distinction of being 'notorious'!
Look after your "Sharks', 'Tigers', 'Taipans' and 'Baldocks', more importantly make sure you don't let the Para Drop unfold in the middle of the helo lines when the rotors are turning and burning! Simple really, but I am sure you have a handle on that now......
Good luck
At the end of the day you won't get a job back here as you are 'infamous' and with this comes the added distinction of being 'notorious'!
Look after your "Sharks', 'Tigers', 'Taipans' and 'Baldocks', more importantly make sure you don't let the Para Drop unfold in the middle of the helo lines when the rotors are turning and burning! Simple really, but I am sure you have a handle on that now......
Good luck
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OUCH !!!
Just had the good news recently for Abu Dhabi airport and then kapow! Dubai airport gone up big and ACC still higher than Abu Dhabi airport.
Can Abu Dhabi airport staff survive until April 2009??? There's absolutely no more pocket money left in the Serco contract and how about ADAC's goodwill?? My forecast predicts dark clouds overhead Abu Dhabi airport
Just had the good news recently for Abu Dhabi airport and then kapow! Dubai airport gone up big and ACC still higher than Abu Dhabi airport.
Can Abu Dhabi airport staff survive until April 2009??? There's absolutely no more pocket money left in the Serco contract and how about ADAC's goodwill?? My forecast predicts dark clouds overhead Abu Dhabi airport
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Cost of living allowance 73.200and ATC allowance 30.000 Is Sirvaas still to scared to add this to the ATC's salary????? Giving a much better pension package??? 
Happy for the guys getting at least something (still peanuts) but the effort to take up a position in the Middle East for anyone is a very risky business AND to live in such conditions require much much more!!!
STILL VERY, VERY HAPPY TO HAVE LEFT THE SANDPIT
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For the guys that have left and are happy they left, thats great I'm happy for you.
For the guys that are here, some are happier than others, and some were happy with their lot till they saw someone elses lot was all of a sudden a lot bigger. This especially caused some annoyance when our boss said that Dubai deserved the payrise cos they are so busy.
Not saying they aren't but unless all that traffic magically drops from the stratosphere into 40 NM Dubai, they have to be sequenced and organised by someone else. Gee I wonder if those people also are a little busy.
As I said previously congrats to Dubai and enjoy. To Abu Dhabi App, congrats on at least catching up to where you should have been for the last couple of years.
To my fellow ACCers, lets just hope the Sheikh Z road slopes down towards Abu Dhabi and some off those big bucks being thrown around trickle down our way. Cheers all.
For the guys that are here, some are happier than others, and some were happy with their lot till they saw someone elses lot was all of a sudden a lot bigger. This especially caused some annoyance when our boss said that Dubai deserved the payrise cos they are so busy.
Not saying they aren't but unless all that traffic magically drops from the stratosphere into 40 NM Dubai, they have to be sequenced and organised by someone else. Gee I wonder if those people also are a little busy.
As I said previously congrats to Dubai and enjoy. To Abu Dhabi App, congrats on at least catching up to where you should have been for the last couple of years.
To my fellow ACCers, lets just hope the Sheikh Z road slopes down towards Abu Dhabi and some off those big bucks being thrown around trickle down our way. Cheers all.
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App or Area?
ANSA - I sincerely think that giving different payment to ATCO's working in the same region brings about unhappiness. I can understand how you feel down in AUH, it was the same for us in DXB when your payrise were announced. If I were there or SHJ or any SERCo place in the Gulf I would be mad about all this so I sincerely hope what you said about
money coming your way does indeed happen. After all what you do good or bad ultimately ends up in our laps and vice versa. What I disagree with you (once again) is about the traffic. Much has been said about numbers but its not just the numbers that make or break but the complexity of the traffic. Approach is more complex than Area anytime (I am an ex-Area controller so I know) for the simple reason that traffic conglomerates in a relative smaller space which is the TMA. Once again I will not take away any of merits of your duties or what you should be paid in comparison to whom but thats the way thing stand in ATC anywhere in the world. Good luck and keep up the good work!
money coming your way does indeed happen. After all what you do good or bad ultimately ends up in our laps and vice versa. What I disagree with you (once again) is about the traffic. Much has been said about numbers but its not just the numbers that make or break but the complexity of the traffic. Approach is more complex than Area anytime (I am an ex-Area controller so I know) for the simple reason that traffic conglomerates in a relative smaller space which is the TMA. Once again I will not take away any of merits of your duties or what you should be paid in comparison to whom but thats the way thing stand in ATC anywhere in the world. Good luck and keep up the good work!
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Sorry have to agree to disagree there. Sit in on East and handle the Darax nose to nose climb descent, versus RAK and FUJ landing and arrivals, while trying to sequence through BUBIN and do the MUSAP cross with the TARDI departures and say that this isn't the most complex bit of airspace anywhere in the UAE (including App areas). As I said we will have to agree to disagree.
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Likewise, I'm at an adjacent ACC unit and have to agree to disagree. The region has some very complex enroute airspace, and I certainly would not put APP ahead of ACC, nor the other way around. Equality of pay is required across the board in the region. We are all working extremely hard in trying circumstances. Dubai increase all good, well done. I hope everyone will catch the new benchmark sooner than later.
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I respect your opinions and as you said I agree to disagree. The trouble is that whoever pays our salaries seems to agree with me at the moment. Maybe its not a question of numbers and complexity after all but simply a matter of supply and demand. DXB is well short of controllers plus it needs new ones for the MXB (the new one will be now called al Makthoum International not Jebel Ali I have heard). How are you with numbers over there? In DXB we are on minimal breaks and when sickness kicks the numbers do not add up. We need controllers and FAST!
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Falcon, as you would see on almost a daily basis, ANSA always believes he can piss further, and is at the end of the day driven by money, hence he always believes HE is the one who should be paid the most. He is the best controller in the world, he works the busiest, most complex airspace.....blah blah blah. Same post different stink...........
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I wont get into a pissing competition, no winners there
I like working here in the Area centre and I am reasonably happy with salary (could always use some more, Ducati's don't come cheap!)
BUT the housing and housing allowances provided by both Serco & GCAA are woefully inadequate and until that is fixed (quickly I hope) I cannot recommend to anyone coming to the UAE. This issue is more than likely to shorten my intended stay here....pitty could be a bloody nice place.
and the 'National' burnt down last night, no more cheap grog
I like working here in the Area centre and I am reasonably happy with salary (could always use some more, Ducati's don't come cheap!)
BUT the housing and housing allowances provided by both Serco & GCAA are woefully inadequate and until that is fixed (quickly I hope) I cannot recommend to anyone coming to the UAE. This issue is more than likely to shorten my intended stay here....pitty could be a bloody nice place.
and the 'National' burnt down last night, no more cheap grog
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Nope not going to bite.
You're really not worth the trouble. 
Falcon. As we have all said we will agree to disagree on workload and complexity. That's fine. If I was sitting in your seat I would probably see it your way and vice versa. Honestly if we were all in the same centre, a lot of the problems we have would be resolved in a couple of shifts and a few swiftly thrown strip holders, but that will never be with the politics here. Overall though considering the growth in traffic here (see latest order by Emirates at the Air Show!), I think all the units here do the best job we all can considering. Cheers.
Falcon. As we have all said we will agree to disagree on workload and complexity. That's fine. If I was sitting in your seat I would probably see it your way and vice versa. Honestly if we were all in the same centre, a lot of the problems we have would be resolved in a couple of shifts and a few swiftly thrown strip holders, but that will never be with the politics here. Overall though considering the growth in traffic here (see latest order by Emirates at the Air Show!), I think all the units here do the best job we all can considering. Cheers.
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and the 'National' burnt down last night, no more cheap grog
Approach is more complex than Area anytime
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ATC knowledge????
More busy maybe, but I dont think more complex. I have have always maintained that APP controllers work harder than ACC controllers but ACC controllers have more knowledge about ATC.
ACC controllers have more ATC knowledge...
Does that mean that ACC knowledge is more "ATC knowledge" than APP knowledge or Tower knowledge?
A lot of us probably have mixed experience..several ratings in the bag.. But I guess if you are an APP controller today, thats where your expertise is and vice versa.. I know more about what I do, than I do about what you do etc...
From an outside perspective, it may not always seem that way..but thats a different story. Controllers have a history of poking their noses in others business....and not much good comes of that...
Anyway....
We should all make the same money... and we all work hard...
Lets try to work even more togehter, tfcnumbers are increasing by the day..
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The 80% payraise we got in Dubai has nothing to do with how hard we work compared to Abu Dhabi or Baharain or FUJ tower or the cleaner. You don't get paid according to how busy you are. As in life, you often don't get what you deserve, but rather what you negotiate.
Here in the Gulf, it' is basic economics; supply VS demand.
DXB has a hugh requirement for terminal-rated controllers. The pool is very small. World-wide, perhaps one in ten radar controllers is a terminal-type. Experienced complex tower people are also hard to find.
The local managers, to their credit, have successfully negotiated with those who pay our salaries a renumeration package which makes us some of the highest-paid controllers on mother earth. This is the ONLY way to attract the attention of this limited pool of controllers and actually have some move here.
So stop making yellow snow. After all, here approach gets the same money as tower. Let the DXB package be a benchmark for ALL controllers world-wide to use when bargaining their next package.
My 2 Dirhams worth
Here in the Gulf, it' is basic economics; supply VS demand.
DXB has a hugh requirement for terminal-rated controllers. The pool is very small. World-wide, perhaps one in ten radar controllers is a terminal-type. Experienced complex tower people are also hard to find.
The local managers, to their credit, have successfully negotiated with those who pay our salaries a renumeration package which makes us some of the highest-paid controllers on mother earth. This is the ONLY way to attract the attention of this limited pool of controllers and actually have some move here.
So stop making yellow snow. After all, here approach gets the same money as tower. Let the DXB package be a benchmark for ALL controllers world-wide to use when bargaining their next package.
My 2 Dirhams worth