High College Failure Rate?
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From: The foot of Mt. Belzoni.
Most universities are raising their A Level entry requirements.
NATS, (recruiting for a course as hard, if not harder than most university degrees), has considerably lowered its entry requirements.
Allegedly, Validated controllers now cost half a million pounds a shot.
From a business point of view;-
I would want the very best in at the bottom, after all, as with any system.
Rubbish in=Rubbish out.
NATS, (recruiting for a course as hard, if not harder than most university degrees), has considerably lowered its entry requirements.
Allegedly, Validated controllers now cost half a million pounds a shot.
From a business point of view;-
I would want the very best in at the bottom, after all, as with any system.
Rubbish in=Rubbish out.
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From: Usually in a bar!
This company is run by ar*****es!!!!
Idiots in suits living in offices and surrounded by the most pathetic life form that is your YES MAN.
Second only to the management, actually just as bad are the union!
There is no excuse for the poor standard of trainee that the units are getting. Its not their faullt but something has to be done about it. You have to spend money to get the best and NATS dont do that.
Its about moving aircraft as safely and as efficently as we can. To do that we need the right equipment and staff.
Its not rocket science.
Idiots in suits living in offices and surrounded by the most pathetic life form that is your YES MAN.
Second only to the management, actually just as bad are the union!
There is no excuse for the poor standard of trainee that the units are getting. Its not their faullt but something has to be done about it. You have to spend money to get the best and NATS dont do that.
Its about moving aircraft as safely and as efficently as we can. To do that we need the right equipment and staff.
Its not rocket science.
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From: The Mysterious East
Ahhh the college rumour mill. Victim of that a few times myself in my time there. I think everyone is gonna get posted to LXGB
LXGB
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From: FG11
Originally Posted by aewaite17
I will no doubt take on a second job to supplement
Originally Posted by aewaite17
failure is not an option
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From: LHR/EGLL
I would definitely agree with Quincy:
Obviously everyone has their own situation and circumstance, but genuinely if you take on a second job whilst at the college you will put yourself at a disadvantage when it comes to studying/passing. The college is comprised of intense courses with no room for falling behind, and the failure rate can be quite high, and sometimes unfortunately unfair.
You really want to get in there and have the best possible chance of getting through, which means dedicating time to study outside of college, and also time to rest and relax. The course I was on had a whole mix of people with varying backgrounds and financial ties such as mortgages, families and the like - but no-one needed/had time to take a second job.
Apologies if this sounds like a rant or something, just so you have a clear idea of whats ahead of you
Best of luck
Adrian
p.s. I wouldn't have minded LXGB not saying its a bad place at all. Just that getting a posting there is usually a tad unlikely...
Obviously everyone has their own situation and circumstance, but genuinely if you take on a second job whilst at the college you will put yourself at a disadvantage when it comes to studying/passing. The college is comprised of intense courses with no room for falling behind, and the failure rate can be quite high, and sometimes unfortunately unfair.
You really want to get in there and have the best possible chance of getting through, which means dedicating time to study outside of college, and also time to rest and relax. The course I was on had a whole mix of people with varying backgrounds and financial ties such as mortgages, families and the like - but no-one needed/had time to take a second job.
Apologies if this sounds like a rant or something, just so you have a clear idea of whats ahead of you
Best of luck
Adrian
p.s. I wouldn't have minded LXGB
not saying its a bad place at all. Just that getting a posting there is usually a tad unlikely...
Last edited by AJ7; 4th August 2008 at 10:36. Reason: p.s.
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From: ?
I agree with Quincy
Failure is an option - maybe not to you but circumstances can overcome your outlook.
What happens if you get ill, the fiance leaves (not saying it will happen!), you don't get trained - you only get trained in summer!!!!
you get a watch change, you get a unit change (not that you are by any means guaranteed that either)
etc etc etc
you get posted to Swanwick, tried the rents about here???
16k when you leave the college (IF you pass), won't get you that far.
REALITY IS A KILLER
Failure is an option - maybe not to you but circumstances can overcome your outlook.
What happens if you get ill, the fiance leaves (not saying it will happen!), you don't get trained - you only get trained in summer!!!!
you get a watch change, you get a unit change (not that you are by any means guaranteed that either)
etc etc etc
you get posted to Swanwick, tried the rents about here???
16k when you leave the college (IF you pass), won't get you that far.
REALITY IS A KILLER
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From: UK
Unfortunately studying and being great at exams isn't the key to getting through ATC training you actually require aptitude and no amount of hard work can create that if it isn't already there.
Also you will have little time for family , fiancé's etc whilst studying so I would say to anyone if you don't have to bring family with you don't it isn't necessarily conducive to the way college studying is best carried out.
It was a long while since I went through but as Yahoo said some of the best studying was done in groups and is why communal living can be an asset. We worked hard and played hard.
One of the reason why other colleges may get a higher pass rate could be because Ex Military controllers are going through them so they have prior experience?
Also you will have little time for family , fiancé's etc whilst studying so I would say to anyone if you don't have to bring family with you don't it isn't necessarily conducive to the way college studying is best carried out.
It was a long while since I went through but as Yahoo said some of the best studying was done in groups and is why communal living can be an asset. We worked hard and played hard.
One of the reason why other colleges may get a higher pass rate could be because Ex Military controllers are going through them so they have prior experience?
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From: FG11
Originally Posted by flower
if you don't have to bring family with you don't
Also it is not necessary to study in groups, even though the college kept banging on about how it was. I never studied in groups (nor did i live with other TATCs) other than the odd study session (whilst at college during the working day) before oral boards and you could also get the missus to test you.
Like you say, being great at exams is not the key
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From: In a thriving maritime community
group studying works for some, and doesn't for others.
my friend simfly studied together with his whole approach course in preparation for oral boards and passed brilliantly !
also, i'd suggest to watch for those who try to give you advice and then put you down, you useless idiot !
my friend simfly studied together with his whole approach course in preparation for oral boards and passed brilliantly !
also, i'd suggest to watch for those who try to give you advice and then put you down, you useless idiot !
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From: Scotland
almost AJ7, on approach I went for the all day college session on the Sunday, the whole course again was in attendance, unlike our aerodrome where 1 was constantly missing- (hope he finds another job soon 
) and the many rounds after were cheap 
Just a shame my aerodrome license is useless now 
Where is angular?
) and the many rounds after were cheap Just a shame my aerodrome license is useless now Where is angular?
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From: Prague, Czech Rep.
Sorry to intrude, I am not sure if this is important enough to start a new thread ..
Any failed trainees here? Being one myself, unfortunately, (not NATS, but still) I would like to know why other people failed, or why they think they failed. Also, would you try it again, if allowed to?
Any failed trainees here? Being one myself, unfortunately, (not NATS, but still) I would like to know why other people failed, or why they think they failed. Also, would you try it again, if allowed to?
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From: LHR/EGLL
start a new thread anyway, if people dont deem it important enough then they wont reply 
if i did fail then i think i would have to give it another shot if i was able, but luckily i havent had to go through that yet.
sim, 'angular' is in the dictionary somewhere after 'anglia', which happens to be a model of car and also a region of the UK. apparently also a region of radar provided at EGPD. know anything about this??
all day sunday... you heathen. it is a desolate place at weekends
if i did fail then i think i would have to give it another shot if i was able, but luckily i havent had to go through that yet.
sim, 'angular' is in the dictionary somewhere after 'anglia', which happens to be a model of car and also a region of the UK. apparently also a region of radar provided at EGPD. know anything about this??
all day sunday... you heathen. it is a desolate place at weekends
