High College Failure Rate?
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I agree with Gonzo. When I went through the college a few years ago on a OJTI refresher course, I bumped into an instructor who I last saw in the Middle East - just before he got sacked from IAL(Serco) for being totally unable to control!
It would appear that NATS will take just about anybody with a UK licence as a college instructor.
It would appear that NATS will take just about anybody with a UK licence as a college instructor.
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Well,without blowing my own trumpet, I'm not a bad controller at all!!!
(Then again who would admit to being crap!!!!
)
Maybe I'm a little over qualified
Tried looking for some contact details for CATC via the Net but came up blank
Would someone be kind enough to supply some Names/Numbers??
PM might be best
Thanks in advance
LOTZ
(Then again who would admit to being crap!!!!
)Maybe I'm a little over qualified
Tried looking for some contact details for CATC via the Net but came up blank
Would someone be kind enough to supply some Names/Numbers??
PM might be best
Thanks in advance
LOTZ
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It would appear that NATS will take just about anybody with a UK licence as a college instructor.
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From: Scotland
And if they are able to get students through the course and out the other end with enough knowledge to be able to move on to unit training, so what?
Personally, I am sure this is not the fault of the instructors - the shortness of the course and the intensity of learning/lack of time to digest and consolidate the lessons, are where the finger has to point.
DD
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From: uk
It would appear that NATS will take just about anybody with a UK licence as a college instructor.
And if they are able to get students through the course and out the other end with enough knowledge to be able to move on to unit training, so what?
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From: down south
I was one of em graduating. 33 started my course in 2005, 24 got through college, 9 didn't, 4 validations so far including me, and counting. Another course that were graduating who started 2006, 32 started, 9 have got through college, 6 still there, 15 gone, 1 valid and counting.
Something is working down there in Hurn, and I'm gratefull for all the help we got there. Work hard, play hard and enjoy, im living proof it works!!
Something is working down there in Hurn, and I'm gratefull for all the help we got there. Work hard, play hard and enjoy, im living proof it works!!
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From: UK
Inca_Gold01: depends how you define "hiccup"!
To me, a "hiccup" equals further training needed to reach the required standard, before further training at unit.
So, Taffy1 is now competent, which therefore means he/she reached the required standard at college, continued through training at unit to competency level, & is now competent. So, he/she got what they needed to get the result.
A systemised training regime like CATC has to draw a line somewhere. The decision is where the line should be, & what should happen when someone falls short of it. Not everyone learns at the same rate, & that is not a function of intelligence, nor of an inability to work hard, & is may not even be an indicator of future performance. But company requirements dictate that course structures are tailored to meet the system, rather than any one individual, so the chances of meeting any specific learning style or preference is dictated by luck, not by judgement. I suggest that maybe what influences the fabled "high failure rate", rather than all the thousands of other reasons touted about.
I understand very few people ever exit the college with a completely "clean sheet", however, if they have the skills they need & the experience to apply themselves to unit training, then well done to all concerned. The issue is if people leave with less than is required & that's where attention should be focussed.
And
well done, Taffy1, hope Friday was fun, & glad you feel the guys & girls at CATC contributed their bit.
To me, a "hiccup" equals further training needed to reach the required standard, before further training at unit.
So, Taffy1 is now competent, which therefore means he/she reached the required standard at college, continued through training at unit to competency level, & is now competent. So, he/she got what they needed to get the result.
A systemised training regime like CATC has to draw a line somewhere. The decision is where the line should be, & what should happen when someone falls short of it. Not everyone learns at the same rate, & that is not a function of intelligence, nor of an inability to work hard, & is may not even be an indicator of future performance. But company requirements dictate that course structures are tailored to meet the system, rather than any one individual, so the chances of meeting any specific learning style or preference is dictated by luck, not by judgement. I suggest that maybe what influences the fabled "high failure rate", rather than all the thousands of other reasons touted about.
I understand very few people ever exit the college with a completely "clean sheet", however, if they have the skills they need & the experience to apply themselves to unit training, then well done to all concerned. The issue is if people leave with less than is required & that's where attention should be focussed.
And
well done, Taffy1, hope Friday was fun, & glad you feel the guys & girls at CATC contributed their bit.
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From: By the Sea-side
Want to be a College Instructor?
Try contacting Mr Jim Nelmes at Hurn - he is managing delivery of ATCO training at the moment...
NATS Hurn
Bournemouth International Airport
Christchurch
Dorset
BH23 6DF
NATS Hurn
Bournemouth International Airport
Christchurch
Dorset
BH23 6DF
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From: Here, there and everywhere...
Hi
I just came across this thread from last year and thought I'd bump it back up. Has anyone got any updated views or stats on the current situation with pass rates etc at the college?
FDD
I just came across this thread from last year and thought I'd bump it back up. Has anyone got any updated views or stats on the current situation with pass rates etc at the college?
FDD
college pass rate.
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From: nearby
High College Failure Rate?
Buzzerfish, what exactly do you mean? Is it the fact that Hurns instructors are having are harder time of it? The numbers larger
therefore bound to have a higher failure rate. Or is one to one
tuition at Cwyran paying dividends? Or are the instructors at
Cwyran trying harder or what ?
therefore bound to have a higher failure rate. Or is one to one
tuition at Cwyran paying dividends? Or are the instructors at
Cwyran trying harder or what ?
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From: Around
agent007
Whilst not wishing to associate myself with the provocative comments re. closing CATC, I think there is definitely something in your point here. Having passed through both establishments I absolutely agree that working with a small number of instructors, who each know much more about you and what you need to work on, is a big plus.
Obviously CATC has a far higher throughput of students, but why not divide the instructors and studes into small groups (say, 4 instructors to X studes) who work together regularly? The Instructors get a better grip on what the individual trainee needs and studes consequently get better feedback and more tailored instruction.
Or is one to one
tuition at Cwyran paying dividends?
tuition at Cwyran paying dividends?
Obviously CATC has a far higher throughput of students, but why not divide the instructors and studes into small groups (say, 4 instructors to X studes) who work together regularly? The Instructors get a better grip on what the individual trainee needs and studes consequently get better feedback and more tailored instruction.
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From: uk
It could also be that paying for the course means that you are likely to perhaps be a little older, be more focussed, less likely to be out on the razz as opposed to being paid to learn to get the ratings.
And I don't mean that folk at the college are not focussed, just that if you are paying to live AND forking out large sums of cash too, it must surely add an extra dimension and strengthen resolve to avoid the pub most of the time!
Just a thought
louby
And I don't mean that folk at the college are not focussed, just that if you are paying to live AND forking out large sums of cash too, it must surely add an extra dimension and strengthen resolve to avoid the pub most of the time!
Just a thought
louby
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From: South East
Then again earning just £10,000 a year isn't exactly alot to live on and go out everynight on the "razz". Especially when alot of people have made a sacrifice to leave much higher paying jobs to move down to Bournemouth to pursue a career in ATC. It's not a decision most people make lightly.