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Old 29th Mar 2007, 09:31   #1 (permalink)
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EUROCONTROL FEAST test

Hi everyone;
this is my first post to the forum
I am invited to the eurocontrol FEAST test on the 21st of May.
I do not know, what kind of a test it is. I read something from the wikipeida or etc. but do you have any link for the sample questions?
I've downloaded also some approach simulations but I think they are not the exact one that the Eurocontrol expects from me.
I hope I will pass
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Old 29th Mar 2007, 17:16   #2 (permalink)
 
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I don't think you'll find a site that offers more info about the test than wikipedia.

It's difficult (if not impossible) to study for the tests but there are a couple of things you can do to prepare so you won't be caught completely off guard.

x Practice remembering numbers. Some of the numbers are incredibly long and include commas.
x Play computer games that involve tasks like sorting shapes and figures. You will only have about a second to decide where to put a certain shape and the sorting rules change all the time so don't forget to pay attention to the sorting info you get.
x If English is not your native language you may want to get your listening comprehension up to a high level. The texts are read with a British accent so focus on that.
x Get used to thinking in degrees and to give heading instructions.

Phase 2 focuses more on real ATC tasks like spotting conflicts, discharging strips and entering flight data. There is no radar view, only a screen with strips. I've never played an ATC sim so i don't know how they work but it could be a good way to get used to the logic behind strips and to understand how an aircraft travels between airports from the info given on strips. If you're used to terms like fligh levels, speeds and what a conflict is it gives you more time to focus on the test itself instead of trying to understand what they mean with all those words

That's pretty much all i remember from the tests.. Like i said, there are things you can do to be somewhat prepared, but it all comes down to who's got what it takes, either you do or you don't.

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Old 22nd Apr 2007, 23:06   #3 (permalink)
 
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Maastricht showdown

I've got the same problem... my name is Alex, I'm from Romania, and I have been invited to the FEAST test at Maastricht on May 15th. Where did you get the simulations from?

my e-mai addres (if you want to correspond) is alex_beautiful_mind@yahoo.de
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Old 23rd Apr 2007, 12:47   #4 (permalink)
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Forget the simulations - you are wasting your time. You do some very basic flight planning and prioritisation tasks as part of the FEAST tests but its explained on the day and is NOT something you need to prepare for.
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Old 26th Apr 2007, 15:26   #5 (permalink)

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You can't learn the tests, if you can't do it without outside assistance maybe the job is not for you.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 00:21   #6 (permalink)
 
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You can't learn the tests, if you can't do it without outside assistance maybe the job is not for you.
too bad I passed all the tests without too much difficulty but didn't get judged positively at the interview after having answered well even to the math/physic questions (maybe someone did the call..nevermind)..I really wanted to do this job and I felt suited for it..I guess I'm gonna try elsewhere..anyways, good luck to all those who are gonna go get tested soonly..

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Old 30th Apr 2007, 17:33   #7 (permalink)
 
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You either got it or not!

I agree with Lon More... You canNOT prepare yourself for FEAST tests! The most you can do is prepare your health for the medical if you get to that stage by keeping fit. FEAST tests are there to see if you as an applicant has what it takes to be an ATCO; don't try cheating the system by asking what the FEAST contains as you'll realise your mistake once you start training - if you get there!

I've started my Basic Training in Lux and the failure rate is 50%. Reason... students don't have the aptitude for ATC. So if you want to be sure you'll succeed all the way through, take my advice - just have a good night's rest before the tests. You cannot prepare yourself. Don't bother gathering info beforehand; you may end up being bitterly disappointed in the future!

Good luck for your Phase 01 FEAST.
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Old 1st May 2007, 12:33   #8 (permalink)
 
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Thank you for the advice... I get the ideea. I cannot prepare for the test.
Anyway. You said they tested your knowledge in physics and math. Can you tell me if there is any special knowledge required or what do they ask for?
And another thing. What does the medical exam consist in?
I know it can be annoying to hear all these questions, but it seems really really odd to me. I am in my senior year in high school, so I don't have speacialized training in this sorts of stuff. This is why I am a little bit frightened. I don't want to go there only as a tourist. I want to have an idea of the exam and be mentally prepared. Are there participants with specific training?
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Old 1st May 2007, 15:29   #9 (permalink)
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I've started my Basic Training in Lux and the failure rate is 50%. Reason... students don't have the aptitude for ATC.
Please stick to the facts - the failure rate is LESS than 50% and the reasons why students fail is much more complicated than just "they haven't got the aptitude", as perhaps you will find out in about 5 months time.
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Old 1st May 2007, 18:14   #10 (permalink)
 
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I've started my Basic Training in Lux and the failure rate is 50%. Reason... students don't have the aptitude for ATC.
So what's the point in doing the FEAST test then??? Isnt that what the FEAST test is about, to check if you have the aptitude or not.

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Old 1st May 2007, 20:28   #11 (permalink)
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Nobody is a mind reader - the FEAST test is designed to single out those applicants that have the necessary personality/cognitive skills identified to make 'good' controllers.

What then happens in the training institute/training simulators is totally down to the individual students and inevitably some don't make the final grade (and this is for far more complicated reasons than 'no aptitude' like the other poster suggested).

The failure rate of 50% is also dramatising - of late groups passing through IANS have been very small, for eg 4 students - and so you can do the math on how many it takes to fail to get a 50% failure rate.
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you might find this handy

BeT, I would suggest you ask around probing for some more detail before stating any comments such as "the failure rate is LESS than 50%". A quick trip to IANS followed by a chat with the friendly instructors found on the premises will verify the sombre fact that overall pass rates for complete ATC training (IANS and MUAC) is just 50%. Secondly, the other poster, bmontalto, probably meant a 50% failure rate for the whole ATC training rather than the training done solely at IANS. Furthermore, BeT, close inspection to the more recent abinitio groups will reveal that failure rates of even 75% are common, given the number of students remaining when compared to the original number that had initially embarked on such training. Yes, with groups of just 4 students a 75% failure rate inplies 3 out of 4 did not make it - a FACT if you ask around properly, once again!

Alexisor... FEAST tests are there to seek the few from the many and are also an initial means to determine whether applicants have the aptitude for the job. The word 'aptitude' in itself may be rather vague and open to a variety of somewhat differing interpretations. I will refer to 'aptitude' as being a person's skill and character to focus on a particular task at hand. Such aptitudes may not be easily observed by the FEAST tests alone as the whole task of understanding a person's character and personality is rather complex. They will be even harder to observe if a candidate tries to 'cheat his/her way through' by obtaining information to the FEAST package in order to be successful in selection. (Hint to future and current candidates: this is why you're always told NOT to try preparing yourself for these tests and Lon More rightly says: "if you can't do it with outside assistance maybe the job is not for you"). Do not try to obtain such information as you'll only be cheating your own selves by 'hiding' your real aptitude for the job. Unfortunately enough, while a candidate may be successful in the selection, such aptitude traits may only be seen once training starts and if they don't match what it takes to be an ATCO, the trainee will be dismissed from proceeding with further training. Of course, aptitude alone may not necessarily be the only reason for failure! Constant 'fear' of not being successful, stress, poor teamwork, rude/unhelpful ATCOs at MUAC (yes, this is another FACT), and (unfortunately) luck all come into play to determining whether a trainee is able to finally make it to validation.

Some hints however... While maths and logic may be slightly relevant to the FEAST test, you are not expected to solve complex tasks such as differentiation or integration problems! Just brush up on your basic arithmetic and fractions if you want to feel 'prepared' for the tests. If you manage to pass to the second selection phase, I would suggest some basic reading on the organisation. Do not try to do more than this. Last but not least, your best mental preparation IS (I'm not joking), a good night's rest.

Good luck for your tests/training
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Old 16th Sep 2007, 17:00   #13 (permalink)
 
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Question FEAST examples

Hello all,

I red the threads here and found that there are available example tests on the net. But I havent found one yet. The only I found was the article about FEAST on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEAST_test . There are some links below but no one is in English so I dont understeand.

Do you have some other links pls?

Thanks in advance

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Old 17th Sep 2007, 19:29   #14 (permalink)
 
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"FEAST tests are there to seek the few from the many and are also an initial means to determine whether applicants have the aptitude for the job. The word 'aptitude' in itself may be rather vague and open to a variety of somewhat differing interpretations. I will refer to 'aptitude' as being a person's skill and character to focus on a particular task at hand. Such aptitudes may not be easily observed by the FEAST tests alone as the whole task of understanding a person's character and personality is rather complex. They will be even harder to observe if a candidate tries to 'cheat his/her way through' by obtaining information to the FEAST package in order to be successful in selection. (Hint to future and current candidates: this is why you're always told NOT to try preparing yourself for these tests and Lon More rightly says: "if you can't do it with outside assistance maybe the job is not for you"). Do not try to obtain such information as you'll only be cheating your own selves by 'hiding' your real aptitude for the job."

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Old 8th Oct 2007, 00:41   #15 (permalink)
 
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It is human nature to find out as much as possible about a situation that they are confronted with. So u may call it cheating but others call it preparing
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Cheating/preparing

Hi all, I am also about a week away from taking the FEAST level 1 and I'd just like to give my two cents on this whole discussion on preparation (or as some have referred to it, "cheating" the system).
I also believe that if indeed this test aims at testing your innate reflexes and spatial awareness, I doubt there is much you can do to improve either, given the short notice you are given for the test. In fact, any preparation you may try to undergo beforehand may just hinder your actual performance because you may develop habits when answering the problems. Now, considering that any test that you may find on the internet will never be exactly the same as the real one, your method to go about the problem will be erroneous when taking the real test.
Any thoughts?
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Skytest?? My friend told me that it helped a lot, and passed the test. He knew exactly what to expect.
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