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Old 8th Dec 2017, 13:50   #10401 (permalink)


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Hi!

I've recently been allocated to the January course and saw this post a little while back. I've joined a group on facebook but it's quite small! I was wondering if there is a group that has managed to locate many others from the course?

Congratulations on passing!
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 13:52   #10402 (permalink)


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When did you sit stage 3 and when did you hear back?

Congratulations for getting a place
I passed Stage 3 back in mid July! Found out about 8 days later that I had been successful and the medical took a few months after that. I think someone has dropped out of January which meant I could join it.

Where abouts are you in the process?
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 15:52   #10403 (permalink)
 
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I passed Stage 3 back in mid July! Found out about 8 days later that I had been successful and the medical took a few months after that. I think someone has dropped out of January which meant I could join it.

Where abouts are you in the process?
Sat stage 3 last week, still waiting to hear back! I assume they have quite a large influx of applicants. I heard it normally takes about a week to hear back, but they say anything up to 30 working days from the end of the week you sat the stage.

Nervous, can't really tell how the interviews went - I don't think anybody can. MULTIPASS was pretty straightforward, I thought.

Edit: Just heard today that I was successful! I won't be joining until at least July next year as I'm still at University, but I'm incredibly pleased!

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Old 13th Dec 2017, 21:58   #10404 (permalink)
 
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hi guys.

I have just received the email that I passed stage 0!

But I read that the whole process must be done within 1 month and specifically the stage 1 must be done within 5 days.

Is that true? I'm worried because I booked holidays to go abroad during christmas and I'd like to attend the FEAST and DART after christmas.

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Old 14th Dec 2017, 11:28   #10405 (permalink)


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hi guys.

I have just received the email that I passed stage 0!

But I read that the whole process must be done within 1 month and specifically the stage 1 must be done within 5 days.

Is that true? I'm worried because I booked holidays to go abroad during christmas and I'd like to attend the FEAST and DART after christmas.

Regards
Emilio
No - thats just for stage 1. Stage 2 you pick from a suite of dates that stretch about 3 months if I remember correctly. Just get stage 1 done and if you pass you have more freedom with regards to picking dates for the next few stages.
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Old 7th Jan 2018, 17:06   #10406 (permalink)
 
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Hi all,
I'm thinking about finally biting the bullet and applying for ATC and have a couple of questions...

1) Are there any up-to-date estimates of the average length of time from submitting an application to (hopefully) passing Stage 3? And after that how long do people normally wait before starting a course?

2) Is there any flexibiity to move between units once validated? I understand NATS can place you wherever and don't really have a problem with that but moving to (insert less than desirable base here) for 3-5 years then possibly transferring is a different proposition to moving there full stop forever.

3) What's the age range of trainee's like? I'm led to believe that it's anything from 18-35+ with an average around mid-20s but I don't know if that's accurate?
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 12:16   #10407 (permalink)
 
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Hi all,
I'm thinking about finally biting the bullet and applying for ATC and have a couple of questions...

1) Are there any up-to-date estimates of the average length of time from submitting an application to (hopefully) passing Stage 3? And after that how long do people normally wait before starting a course?

2) Is there any flexibiity to move between units once validated? I understand NATS can place you wherever and don't really have a problem with that but moving to (insert less than desirable base here) for 3-5 years then possibly transferring is a different proposition to moving there full stop forever.

3) What's the age range of trainee's like? I'm led to believe that it's anything from 18-35+ with an average around mid-20s but I don't know if that's accurate?
1) Depends on a few factors including how quick you are to book on to the different assessment days when you receive an email invite. But roughly the time from submitting an application to starting a course is likely to be anywhere from 4 months - 1 year at the moment.

2) You can be sent to any aerodrome/area unit in the country. You might be asked what your preferences are but no guarantees. However people do occasionally move around after being posted (less so with area units). Definitely a bit of a gamble!

3) A real spread of ages so don't worry about this, most courses will have a range between 18-35, however most tend to be Mid 20s.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 14:53   #10408 (permalink)
 
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2) Postings rarely take preferences into account. You get sent where the business needs you to be and from there it's very difficult to move. Sounds discouraging but it's the reality of things.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 21:40   #10409 (permalink)
 
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Cheers for the replies. Obviously moving between area units is going to be pretty limited in scope. I was more asking about aerodrome. It sounds like moving between aerodromes is possible but not usual?
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 19:45   #10410 (permalink)
 
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Hi All,

Anyone had a place confirmed on NATS 251 basic in Jerez?

Had my contract through earlier, keen to see if any ppruners will be making the trip out to Spain with me.
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 09:22   #10411 (permalink)
 
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Jerez? wow things have changed!!
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 17:40   #10412 (permalink)
 
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@Daleboy93

I had heard that they were going to send some trainees to Spain, but I haven't heard any details yet. Very interesting though! Would you mind sharing a bit about how it is going to work? Like how long you will be training there for, and is NATS organising accommodation for you etc? Pretty cool, i'm sure it will be fantastic experience living in Spain for a while.
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 21:23   #10413 (permalink)
 
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@Daleboy93

I had heard that they were going to send some trainees to Spain, but I haven't heard any details yet. Very interesting though! Would you mind sharing a bit about how it is going to work? Like how long you will be training there for, and is NATS organising accommodation for you etc? Pretty cool, i'm sure it will be fantastic experience living in Spain for a while.
Yeah it'll be a nice way to spend the rest of the winter months definitely! I studied Spanish at Uni and lived out in various parts of Spain for 18 months or so during my degree. So a pretty great stroke of luck to be going back for a bit on the first NATS course in Spain

So the information we've had is 21 consecutive weeks training at FTE Jerez completing the basic course (start early Feb, back to UK early July). NATS have organised flights out from Heathrow after an initial induction at CTC Whiteley.

Accommodation is full board on-site at FTE Jerez, basically uni-style rooms with a bathroom, WiFi etc. NATS have part-funded but we're required to pay a weekly supplement. The part-funding comes in place of any allowances trainees in Southampton may be entitled to. I suspect Jerez will still work out a fair bit cheaper though considering your outlay will be zero during the week bar some exploring money on weekends.

Other than that, I'm led to believe the course structure will be very similar and everything else should run as usual. I suspect this outsourcing of training will continue for some time given the sheer number of new trainees. coming in... Exciting stuff!
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 09:57   #10414 (permalink)


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A lot of recent talk seems to be suggesting that NATS are taking on more trainees. Is it likely their hiring figures (i.e. just 15 out of 3.5k applicants are successful) are now wrong and its actually much higher? I'm a little confused on the direction they seem to be taking - are they simply hiring more people, and possibly lowering the bar to get more people through, or are they taking on more trainees and the dropout rate at the college is higher?

I've got stage 3 in a few weeks and I'm not sure if I should ask questions like this there
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 16:22   #10415 (permalink)
 
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ATCOnoob1 I really would not worry about the NATS infographic. Just concentrate on trying to get offered a place as a TATC. If you are successful and you are given a course then you will have a score of things to get confused and worry about

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Old 12th Jan 2018, 22:54   #10416 (permalink)
 
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A lot of recent talk seems to be suggesting that NATS are taking on more trainees. Is it likely their hiring figures (i.e. just 15 out of 3.5k applicants are successful) are now wrong and its actually much higher? I'm a little confused on the direction they seem to be taking - are they simply hiring more people, and possibly lowering the bar to get more people through, or are they taking on more trainees and the dropout rate at the college is higher?

I've got stage 3 in a few weeks and I'm not sure if I should ask questions like this there
NATS want more controllers over the next few years not just more trainees.

They've upped their recruitment drive massively in the past 18/24 months, purely to meet increased demand through retirement etc. I don't necessarily think the figures have changed nor do I think they've made the tests any easier (they're industry standard).

I think it's simply a case of more publicity = more applicants = more successful candidates at the current % success rate.
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Old 13th Jan 2018, 18:07   #10417 (permalink)
 
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Anyone had a place confirmed on NATS 251 basic in Jerez?
Congrats!!

Any ideas if the Jerez arrangement is a permanent thing for NATS? Is it a case of the odd course being delivered in Spain due to capacity in Southampton or more of a strategic decision to conduct training there?
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Old 13th Jan 2018, 19:03   #10418 (permalink)
 
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Congrats!!

Any ideas if the Jerez arrangement is a permanent thing for NATS? Is it a case of the odd course being delivered in Spain due to capacity in Southampton or more of a strategic decision to conduct training there?
I'm not sure if there are any plans to make it a permanent arrangement. I guess they'll make a calculated decision after we've tested it out

I would imagine that there will be a lot more courses taking place away from Southampton for capacity reasons in the near future.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 20:29   #10419 (permalink)


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Hi All,

Anyone had a place confirmed on NATS 251 basic in Jerez?

Had my contract through earlier, keen to see if any ppruners will be making the trip out to Spain with me.
Hi

Iíve been offered a place on this course. Iíll be joining you very soon. Exciting times :-)
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 21:21   #10420 (permalink)


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Hi

Iíve been offered a place on this course. Iíll be joining you very soon. Exciting times :-)
I've got a place too! Looking forward to meeting you guys. Found this thread while scouring the internet for any more info on FTE I can find.
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