Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Ground & Other Ops Forums > ATC Issues
Reload this Page >

NATS interview process

ATC Issues A place where pilots may enter the 'lions den' that is Air Traffic Control in complete safety and find out the answers to all those obscure topics which you always wanted to know the answer to but were afraid to ask.

NATS interview process

Old 14th May 2012, 20:53
  #7761 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The foot of Mt. Belzoni.
Posts: 2,001
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I didn't get a graduation sustificate. Or cuff-links.
ZOOKER is offline  
Old 14th May 2012, 21:28
  #7762 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: farfaraway
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There is no such publication as " The Air Pilot". The document is called The U.K. Aeronautical Information Publication".
obwan is offline  
Old 14th May 2012, 22:36
  #7763 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The foot of Mt. Belzoni.
Posts: 2,001
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
obwan,
The U.K Aeronautical Information Publication, (IAIP), used to be called 'The U.K. Air-Pilot'.
It was a single-volume, loose-leaf type document, which lived in a HUGE red ring-binder.
I can clearly remember the look of sheer terror on the faces of my course-mates on 24th September 1979, when they first set eyes on it, piled majestically on those CATC desks, along with MATS Pt.1 and The ANO.

Last edited by ZOOKER; 14th May 2012 at 22:37.
ZOOKER is offline  
Old 15th May 2012, 07:58
  #7764 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: farfaraway
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I always enjoy your posts Zooker but I am afraid that on this occasion you are incorrect, the said document, which I had to amend as part of my atca duties was never offically entitled The Air Pilot, that was always a "nickname".
obwan is offline  
Old 16th May 2012, 19:32
  #7765 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The foot of Mt. Belzoni.
Posts: 2,001
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
obwan,
Many thanks for your kind comments. I enjoy your posts too.
I have done lots of Googling, but I still can't find a definitive answer.
ICAO Annex 15 states that each contracting state should provide an 'Aeronautical Information Publication.
The current NATS system is, as you correctly point out the IAIP, BUT, they, (and The CAA), also mention the 'Air Pilot' in recent notices about London 2012 airspace changes.

My comments were based on;-

1. Information from Taylor and Palmar's excellent book 'Aviation Law For Pilots'.
2. I am sure John Brooks and Ted Tilly referred extensively to "The Air Pilot" in our ATC Leg' lectures. I still have my course-notes, - somewhere.
3. During my time as an ATCC, (we couldn't afford ATCAs at EGNX), I am sure the AIP publication was officially called 'The U.K Air Pilot'. It was the very hot summer of 1976, it was gold writing on a red lever-arch type folder, amended by ATCOs on night-duties.
I may be wrong, if so I'll buy you a beer!.

Last edited by ZOOKER; 16th May 2012 at 19:35.
ZOOKER is offline  
Old 16th May 2012, 20:07
  #7766 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North Wales
Posts: 330
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ATC historian John Platt has tracked down the first publication of the "United Kingdom Air Pilot" to November 1924. It was certainly known as the Air Pilot in the late 1960s and pretty sure that was actually printed on the cover(s). There were three volumes then. I believe it was renamed the Aeronautical Information Publication in the 1970s but the Air Pilot name stuck. As new generations of ATCO's/ATCs take over it will no doubt disappear.
Atcham Tower is offline  
Old 22nd May 2012, 13:48
  #7767 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Belfast
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Anyone else booked in for Stage 3 2moro (23/5/12)? If so, r u staying in Fareham or travelling down 2moro?
GTA_Turbo is offline  
Old 22nd May 2012, 16:06
  #7768 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: -
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Anyone else booked in for Stage 3 2moro (23/5/12)? If so, r u staying in Fareham or travelling down 2moro?
I have my stage 3 tomorrow, I've booked a Travelodge outside Southampton for tonight as I don't fancy driving down from the Midlands at 5am!
Svix is offline  
Old 22nd May 2012, 19:02
  #7769 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Good luck for those going tomorrow. My stage 3 isn't for a couple of weeks but I've booked a Premier Inn for the night before. Don't live to far away (about 2 hr drive to the CTC) but better to arrive refreshed I think.

Heading to Birmingham Tower for a visit in a few days
Simon89 is offline  
Old 23rd May 2012, 12:07
  #7770 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Aberdeen
Age: 34
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm really worrying cos my email definitely says Friday but it seems everyone else said today. I've tried ringing Nats every two days for the past week and all I ever get is that stupid voicemail message. And I've got a horrible feeling that I'm going to have traveled all the way down, spent hundreds and have it all for nothing cos of a clerical error on their part :-/ :-(
Sam0n is offline  
Old 23rd May 2012, 18:55
  #7771 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: manchester
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I wouldn't worry. Both today and friday were available as dates. I've booked a date in June
boeingairbus1981 is offline  
Old 23rd May 2012, 22:48
  #7772 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"I am sorry to inform you that the Stage 3 you booked has been overbooked due to a technical error with the system"

Now booked in mid July. Is it worth asking NATS to reimburse the accommodation I had for the night of my original date? Non changeable booking

Last edited by Simon89; 24th May 2012 at 00:08.
Simon89 is offline  
Old 24th May 2012, 06:21
  #7773 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Down South
Posts: 302
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
I would say not a chance. They didn't ask you to book accommodation.
The Many Tentacles is offline  
Old 24th May 2012, 06:36
  #7774 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Colchester
Age: 38
Posts: 82
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think it is fair to ask to claim back. Just include it when you submit your claim form at the final interview. Stating 2 nights hotel stay due to NATS system error.
If you don't ask you won't get!

Seb
SebbyK is offline  
Old 24th May 2012, 18:50
  #7775 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: AFRICA
Posts: 95
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In response to The Many Tentacles and Simon89. In my humble opinion, just because NATS didn't tell you to book accommodation it doesn't mean they are not responsible. I mean, in many cases it is taken for granted candidates have to book for some night/s at a hotel. Simple proof of it is how NATS brags on about how multicultural their selection process is and how they have workers from all around the world. Secondly, due to their negligence they have caused you an unnecessary expenditure, a tort.

Of course, I would write it in a polite way and just hope for the best. But I do think it would be just fair they were made responsible.
mts1 is offline  
Old 25th May 2012, 09:27
  #7776 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: here
Posts: 203
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
just make sure you wait until after they offer you the job....
sambatc is offline  
Old 27th May 2012, 23:34
  #7777 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Aberdeen
Age: 34
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I had mine on Friday. No idea how it went tbh haha. Just a very nervous fortnight now >_<
Sam0n is offline  
Old 29th May 2012, 07:40
  #7778 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Colchester
Age: 38
Posts: 82
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Any Suprises? Or is it like it used to be, group exercise and competency interview?
SebbyK is offline  
Old 30th May 2012, 18:04
  #7779 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: -
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Any Suprises? Or is it like it used to be, group exercise and competency interview?
It's pretty much this, there's a little additional thing but it's not that difficult. Of course we're explicitly told not to divulge details at each stage so can't really say much more!
Svix is offline  
Old 31st May 2012, 06:34
  #7780 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: looking out of the window
Posts: 555
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I encourage anyone who has done stage 3 to keep the details to themselves.

The forum is not always as anonymous as you might think it is, so why risk your career after all the effort
whitelighter is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.