NATS interview process
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From: The foot of Mt. Belzoni.
obwan,
The U.K Aeronautical Information Publication, (IAIP), used to be called 'The U.K. Air-Pilot'.
It was a single-volume, loose-leaf type document, which lived in a HUGE red ring-binder.
I can clearly remember the look of sheer terror on the faces of my course-mates on 24th September 1979, when they first set eyes on it, piled majestically on those CATC desks, along with MATS Pt.1 and The ANO.
The U.K Aeronautical Information Publication, (IAIP), used to be called 'The U.K. Air-Pilot'.
It was a single-volume, loose-leaf type document, which lived in a HUGE red ring-binder.
I can clearly remember the look of sheer terror on the faces of my course-mates on 24th September 1979, when they first set eyes on it, piled majestically on those CATC desks, along with MATS Pt.1 and The ANO.
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From: farfaraway
I always enjoy your posts Zooker but I am afraid that on this occasion you are incorrect, the said document, which I had to amend as part of my atca duties was never offically entitled The Air Pilot, that was always a "nickname".
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From: The foot of Mt. Belzoni.
obwan,
Many thanks for your kind comments. I enjoy your posts too.
I have done lots of Googling, but I still can't find a definitive answer.
ICAO Annex 15 states that each contracting state should provide an 'Aeronautical Information Publication.
The current NATS system is, as you correctly point out the IAIP, BUT, they, (and The CAA), also mention the 'Air Pilot' in recent notices about London 2012 airspace changes.
My comments were based on;-
1. Information from Taylor and Palmar's excellent book 'Aviation Law For Pilots'.
2. I am sure John Brooks and Ted Tilly referred extensively to "The Air Pilot" in our ATC Leg' lectures. I still have my course-notes, - somewhere.
3. During my time as an ATCC, (we couldn't afford ATCAs at EGNX), I am sure the AIP publication was officially called 'The U.K Air Pilot'. It was the very hot summer of 1976, it was gold writing on a red lever-arch type folder, amended by ATCOs on night-duties.
I may be wrong, if so I'll buy you a beer!.
Many thanks for your kind comments. I enjoy your posts too.
I have done lots of Googling, but I still can't find a definitive answer.
ICAO Annex 15 states that each contracting state should provide an 'Aeronautical Information Publication.
The current NATS system is, as you correctly point out the IAIP, BUT, they, (and The CAA), also mention the 'Air Pilot' in recent notices about London 2012 airspace changes.
My comments were based on;-
1. Information from Taylor and Palmar's excellent book 'Aviation Law For Pilots'.
2. I am sure John Brooks and Ted Tilly referred extensively to "The Air Pilot" in our ATC Leg' lectures. I still have my course-notes, - somewhere.
3. During my time as an ATCC, (we couldn't afford ATCAs at EGNX), I am sure the AIP publication was officially called 'The U.K Air Pilot'. It was the very hot summer of 1976, it was gold writing on a red lever-arch type folder, amended by ATCOs on night-duties.
I may be wrong, if so I'll buy you a beer!.
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From: North Wales
ATC historian John Platt has tracked down the first publication of the "United Kingdom Air Pilot" to November 1924. It was certainly known as the Air Pilot in the late 1960s and pretty sure that was actually printed on the cover(s). There were three volumes then. I believe it was renamed the Aeronautical Information Publication in the 1970s but the Air Pilot name stuck. As new generations of ATCO's/ATCs take over it will no doubt disappear.
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Anyone else booked in for Stage 3 2moro (23/5/12)? If so, r u staying in Fareham or travelling down 2moro?
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From: UK
Good luck for those going tomorrow. My stage 3 isn't for a couple of weeks but I've booked a Premier Inn for the night before. Don't live to far away (about 2 hr drive to the CTC) but better to arrive refreshed I think.
Heading to Birmingham Tower for a visit in a few days
Heading to Birmingham Tower for a visit in a few days
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From: Aberdeen
I'm really worrying cos my email definitely says Friday but it seems everyone else said today. I've tried ringing Nats every two days for the past week and all I ever get is that stupid voicemail message. And I've got a horrible feeling that I'm going to have traveled all the way down, spent hundreds and have it all for nothing cos of a clerical error on their part :-/ :-(
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"I am sorry to inform you that the Stage 3 you booked has been overbooked due to a technical error with the system"
Now booked in mid July. Is it worth asking NATS to reimburse the accommodation I had for the night of my original date? Non changeable booking
Now booked in mid July. Is it worth asking NATS to reimburse the accommodation I had for the night of my original date? Non changeable booking
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From: Colchester
I think it is fair to ask to claim back. Just include it when you submit your claim form at the final interview. Stating 2 nights hotel stay due to NATS system error.
If you don't ask you won't get!
Seb
If you don't ask you won't get!
Seb
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From: AFRICA
In response to The Many Tentacles and Simon89. In my humble opinion, just because NATS didn't tell you to book accommodation it doesn't mean they are not responsible. I mean, in many cases it is taken for granted candidates have to book for some night/s at a hotel. Simple proof of it is how NATS brags on about how multicultural their selection process is and how they have workers from all around the world. Secondly, due to their negligence they have caused you an unnecessary expenditure, a tort.
Of course, I would write it in a polite way and just hope for the best. But I do think it would be just fair they were made responsible.
Of course, I would write it in a polite way and just hope for the best. But I do think it would be just fair they were made responsible.
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Any Suprises? Or is it like it used to be, group exercise and competency interview?
