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A quick request for the German fraturnity out there who operate into a certain airfield in southern Spain. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP REQUESTING SLOT ADJUSTMENTS ON THE 
ING TWR FREQUENCY!!!!!! Pls use the ground frequency and keep the air clear so that other aircraft can call finals and not have to go-around! I even had one chap try and read the entire of ICAO DOC 4444 to the controller whilst i was on an overhead rejoin. Got around to finals with him still blabing on then had to abandon all hope of recieving landing clearence, even after trying to step on him to give the controller a hint.
Anywho, summer season over, rant over.
Next summer just remember to put your towels out on the runway the night before ok?
ING TWR FREQUENCY!!!!!! Pls use the ground frequency and keep the air clear so that other aircraft can call finals and not have to go-around! I even had one chap try and read the entire of ICAO DOC 4444 to the controller whilst i was on an overhead rejoin. Got around to finals with him still blabing on then had to abandon all hope of recieving landing clearence, even after trying to step on him to give the controller a hint. Anywho, summer season over, rant over.
Next summer just remember to put your towels out on the runway the night before ok?
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Why not comply with the rules
The rules are there for a reason if the airlines and operations worked closer together a lot of the R.T to Air Traffic would not be there required and things would move on a lot better.
Rules can be adjusted to suit at times but not to bend or flont them, it can work both ways pilots can try and upset Air Traffic but Air Traffic in the end can have the upper hand by making life a little more difficult and say on arrival give a bit of a punishment routing or somethink like that.
As he would say up stairs stick to the rules and we all will have a good day.
The rules are there for a reason if the airlines and operations worked closer together a lot of the R.T to Air Traffic would not be there required and things would move on a lot better.
Rules can be adjusted to suit at times but not to bend or flont them, it can work both ways pilots can try and upset Air Traffic but Air Traffic in the end can have the upper hand by making life a little more difficult and say on arrival give a bit of a punishment routing or somethink like that.
As he would say up stairs stick to the rules and we all will have a good day.
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Ryanair could have made it
Other carriers should take a leaf out of their books. I have no sympathy for these people that yo usee on TV who leave home intending to get to the airport with 20 whole minutes to spare, then get stuck in traffic.
2 minutes late for check in is as bad as 20 minus late... if you are late you are late.
Then carriers might find that they actually are ready in time to make slots realistically!!
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Grrrr....
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I must be a weirdo in "controllerworld" because I do make the extra effort on occassion. I've a pretty good idea if you're late or not...if it's a regular flight.
However....if you bug me when I'm busy.....I can say "negative" in a manner that will melt your headset. If I find out a particular request is based on a lie.....I do the same sectors all the time.....work it out!
As for priorities, how do you think Concorde operated all those years. I worked that machine for nearly the whole of its working life and the closest I got to it was when it flew over Reading. Never quite sure how they allocated Fam Flights on that.......no surprise that Heathrow staff did rather well!
From the replies it would seem that different airspace affects the situation....the ground and terminal airspace scenarios are densely packed with little room to accommodate expedition requests. My sky is much bigger and perhaps that is why my colleagues and I have more flexibility. [workload permitting]
I must be a weirdo in "controllerworld" because I do make the extra effort on occassion. I've a pretty good idea if you're late or not...if it's a regular flight.
However....if you bug me when I'm busy.....I can say "negative" in a manner that will melt your headset. If I find out a particular request is based on a lie.....I do the same sectors all the time.....work it out!
As for priorities, how do you think Concorde operated all those years. I worked that machine for nearly the whole of its working life and the closest I got to it was when it flew over Reading. Never quite sure how they allocated Fam Flights on that.......no surprise that Heathrow staff did rather well!
From the replies it would seem that different airspace affects the situation....the ground and terminal airspace scenarios are densely packed with little room to accommodate expedition requests. My sky is much bigger and perhaps that is why my colleagues and I have more flexibility. [workload permitting]
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055166k,
I'm feeling a bit sheepish about my tirade now!
But, just to be sure we don't misunderstand eachother......
I don't mean to suggest that a controller should not give priority or make a little extra effort now and then for a particular flight. Far from it! It is that sort of flexibility that keeps the wheels turning! What I object to is pilots attempting to obtain shortcuts and/or other assistance by referring to irrelevant detail that is ultimately designed to make you (the ATC guy) give them what they want because you feel sorry for them.
If I simply ask "request direct XYZ" and it's available, I would expect you to approve it. If it's not available for whatever reason (traffic, workload, etc), I expect you to say "negative" or whatever. But I would not expect you to give me a direct routing where you otherwise wouldn't simpy because I told you I was running late or my passengers think they left their respective irons on at home.
If two aircraft were flying a similar route, but only one could feasably be given a direct routing, I would expect you to give it to whichever one asks first, not simply to the guy who is furthest behind schedule. Therefore, the lateness of my flight is entirely irrelevant, and me telling you I'm late, is a display of my lack of understanding of the system and my feeling that you are a lower intelligence being who can be pushed into doing something you wouldn't otherwise do by my marvellous and creative vocabulary.
Does anyone think differentlt to that? Do you?
Cheers!
CP
I'm feeling a bit sheepish about my tirade now!
But, just to be sure we don't misunderstand eachother......
I don't mean to suggest that a controller should not give priority or make a little extra effort now and then for a particular flight. Far from it! It is that sort of flexibility that keeps the wheels turning! What I object to is pilots attempting to obtain shortcuts and/or other assistance by referring to irrelevant detail that is ultimately designed to make you (the ATC guy) give them what they want because you feel sorry for them.
If I simply ask "request direct XYZ" and it's available, I would expect you to approve it. If it's not available for whatever reason (traffic, workload, etc), I expect you to say "negative" or whatever. But I would not expect you to give me a direct routing where you otherwise wouldn't simpy because I told you I was running late or my passengers think they left their respective irons on at home.
If two aircraft were flying a similar route, but only one could feasably be given a direct routing, I would expect you to give it to whichever one asks first, not simply to the guy who is furthest behind schedule. Therefore, the lateness of my flight is entirely irrelevant, and me telling you I'm late, is a display of my lack of understanding of the system and my feeling that you are a lower intelligence being who can be pushed into doing something you wouldn't otherwise do by my marvellous and creative vocabulary.
Does anyone think differentlt to that? Do you?
Cheers!
CP
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Obviously people being stranded in the wrong country overnight is undesirable, but really the scheduling of these flights (particularly some German destinations served by a major UK airline) must be called into question. If certain flights are frequently requesting priority, something must be wrong somewhere.
Asking for priority around 2000 hours outbound is simply not fair on the other airlines. Why should they be penalised for one flight that cannot suffer some schedule shift that happens frequently particularly at busy airports? It's time that things changed rather than putting pressure on ATC and their own crews.
Asking for priority around 2000 hours outbound is simply not fair on the other airlines. Why should they be penalised for one flight that cannot suffer some schedule shift that happens frequently particularly at busy airports? It's time that things changed rather than putting pressure on ATC and their own crews.
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If anybody asks "Do you have any direct for us?", just give him ANY direct to somewhere he doesnīt want to go. Realizing that this is a detour for him just say "Itīs the only direct I had." 
Should work...
Should work...
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Want direct routings without having to even ask? Try cargo! You'll routinely get routed direct from, say, DPE to HON or EME, obviously with vectors to the ILS and no holds... but then again it all happens in the (very) early hours of the morning 
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Gee...
You mean like, we would like direct anywhere... Sorry sir I don't see anywhere in your route of flight. Or the very nice one... You have any directs for us tonight center??? Of course sir, you can go straight to hell <G>... (joking folks)...
regards
Scott
You mean like, we would like direct anywhere... Sorry sir I don't see anywhere in your route of flight. Or the very nice one... You have any directs for us tonight center??? Of course sir, you can go straight to hell <G>... (joking folks)...
regards
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One of my colleagues got called a W@nk*r on the R/T the other day by a Doncaster inbound because he wouldn't give it a direct to the FNY because it would take it outside controlled airspace and we could all see that there was a lot of military out there. I think it was a Thompson.
The pilot didn't know he transmitted it but was bang out of order anyway.
If I get asked for direct I try and get it if it's not too busy but a THANKYOU would be appreciated when we can achieve it.
Yes I'm talking about you Ryanair!
If I can see it is too busy then the phrase "due to noise restrictions" does the trick. Due to the fact there may be a big bang if you go direct.
The pilot didn't know he transmitted it but was bang out of order anyway.
If I get asked for direct I try and get it if it's not too busy but a THANKYOU would be appreciated when we can achieve it.
Yes I'm talking about you Ryanair!
If I can see it is too busy then the phrase "due to noise restrictions" does the trick. Due to the fact there may be a big bang if you go direct.
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It's really quite heartening to be refered to as "military crap", especially in relation to FNY!
I guess we'll just have to keep on getting in the way; it's not as if we've been kicking around that neck of the woods for more than a couple of years.
I guess we'll just have to keep on getting in the way; it's not as if we've been kicking around that neck of the woods for more than a couple of years.