Monthly ATCOs salaries in Europe
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I can verify the sums that hunterboy refers to. It gets even better....
We used to have quite a few Spaniards working here as flow controllers. If you leave here before you have completed 10 years you get all your pension contributions back (normally so you can buy a pension in your home country). AENA continued to pay their controllers' contributions back home, so when they left to go back home they got to keep the lot. On top of that their seniority continued to progress as if they had never left Spain.
Guess what, there are no more Spanish flow controllers here!
Those Spanish unions certainly know how to negotiate
We used to have quite a few Spaniards working here as flow controllers. If you leave here before you have completed 10 years you get all your pension contributions back (normally so you can buy a pension in your home country). AENA continued to pay their controllers' contributions back home, so when they left to go back home they got to keep the lot. On top of that their seniority continued to progress as if they had never left Spain.
Guess what, there are no more Spanish flow controllers here!
Those Spanish unions certainly know how to negotiate
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Those Spanish unions certainly know how to negotiate
But at the top of everything I think that it is more "cultural","regional",and 'political" indentity issue.
It might be diffucult to explain but I will try.
There are at least two different approach to life. "Northern" and "South".
Also many others "types" and 'subtypes" exist but for this issue those two are the most interesting.
If we compare just two recent cases USA and Spain it will be easily understood.
USA- understuffed,No possibility for industrial action,too much work, no holidays(or just seven days per year) ,very bad enter salary and so on.
Spain- quite opposite.
Have they achieved it only with union negotiations or something else?
Something elese is key.
I am living in South Europe,but I have an opportunity to see other side of story.
i can't understand sentence (here on pprune pages): my manager canceled my holiday,a few days before holiday starts.
I would like to see that manager(here in SE) who would do it more than once
! Easy way of life is something more ussual here.
It is very indicative that many of "Northern" ANSPs has simmilar problems, I will name just a few of them: FAA,NAV Canada, Avinor,Denmark,IAA, DFS, Austrocontrol... All of them are connected to similar problems:understuffed and everything related to this issue.
I have been informed recently (more informal) that Austrocontrol union accept next sentence in their new contracts: Minimum working hours e.g.156 maximum not determined. correct me if I am wrong but if it is true just explain me what are difference between slaves and Austrian ATCOs.
Also I will add to those group of countries two very South (from my point of view
) Australia and NZ. But they belong to "Northern" type.Very similar cases with very similar solutions. What is the most interesting for me is the fact that citizens of above mentined countries are in quite better position than myself. They have possibility to move whenever they want especially if they are ATCOs. I will give you two days of my life to undestand what kind of possibilities you have to consider as a good will of mighties.
But I will never understand union and associations that allow things like we may see and read at those pages. TIBA,chronic understuffed,no holidays, call on day off, single person operations, more than 2/3 hours on frequency without rest,non competetive salaries ...
I think that only people living and working in such enviroment could change it.
But changes must occur in their heads.
If they realise that living is more important than working!
To avoid any missunderstanding I sometimes regret over the fact that some solution in my contract are never close to Norvegian one but I am going every my dayli shift to drink coffe in the town 5 km away.
There may be only three reasons to omit such "procedure"
1.I am on my holiday leave
2.I am on my day off
3. My contract has expired
I will appreciate other side of story if any,to correct myself in future.
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My French speaking buddies tell me that my verb conjugation in the said classic language is soooo bad I'm better with english (most of Europe are Latin based 'classic' languages for any not thus acquainted).With that in mind (your reverse translation) and the fact that you are Portuguese (sim???) why can't you join AENA if you can speak Spanish?
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and the fact that you are Portuguese (sim???)
are Latin based 'classic' languages
why can't you join AENA
Best regards from sunny Europe.
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Gettheflick : thanks for your answer. Still incredible from France what happens in the States but for sure if it's illegal for you to gon on strike on that it's more difficult...Hope for your colleagues Obama will change that !
To give the figures for French ATCOs ONLY in ACCs :
- just after the qualification : 5400e / NET monthly salary (after all deductions except income tax salary which is 1000é/month for a single person) (so 4400 FULLY NET)
- approximately 8000e/ month NET at the end of the career. (before income tax)
Gettheflick : thanks for your answer. Still incredible from France what happens in the States but for sure if it's illegal for you to gon on strike on that it's more difficult...Hope for your colleagues Obama will change that !
To give the figures for French ATCOs ONLY in ACCs :
- just after the qualification : 5400e / NET monthly salary (after all deductions except income tax salary which is 1000é/month for a single person) (so 4400 FULLY NET)
- approximately 8000e/ month NET at the end of the career. (before income tax)
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does anyone know what about extra duties at eurocontrol ?
Do you have extra paid ? or extra vacation ? one hour extra = one hour extra vacation ? or more ?
thanks a lot
Do you have extra paid ? or extra vacation ? one hour extra = one hour extra vacation ? or more ?
thanks a lot
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@pjresc,
DFS is a good company to work for! The grass is always greener elsewhere it seems, but in my view it´s one of the best companies I could imagine working for. Management is as crappy as everywhere else but seems to be the case with every company employing more than 500 people.
The pay is very good for German standards, I would say in the top 5% of employees pay range. I´m in my thirties and started about 10 yrs ago, last years pay before tax was 120k+. In fact they paid me more than 130k, but that was a one-time-effect.
We work a mixed roster of 4-4 and 5-3, 220 days per year. Take your 30 days holidays plus extra time off for nights and public holidays plus occasional sick days and you will find yourself to end up at work on less days than at home!
A lot of guys still complain and whine a lot but I really think some of them have lost touch to the real world.
I would recommend applying to DFS, but don´t get yourself told into the first contract they´ll offer you...you´d be nuts to take it.
The pay is very good for German standards, I would say in the top 5% of employees pay range. I´m in my thirties and started about 10 yrs ago, last years pay before tax was 120k+. In fact they paid me more than 130k, but that was a one-time-effect.
We work a mixed roster of 4-4 and 5-3, 220 days per year. Take your 30 days holidays plus extra time off for nights and public holidays plus occasional sick days and you will find yourself to end up at work on less days than at home!
A lot of guys still complain and whine a lot but I really think some of them have lost touch to the real world.
I would recommend applying to DFS, but don´t get yourself told into the first contract they´ll offer you...you´d be nuts to take it.
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Here are the pay scales of Hong Kong ATCO.
Junior ATCO (non-radar rated) USD4200 to 6200 per month.
Senior ATCO (radar rated) USD6470 to 12700 plus 1920 housing allowance per month.
The annual income tax is around 10%. A Big Mac costs about USD2 in Hong Kong.
Junior ATCO (non-radar rated) USD4200 to 6200 per month.
Senior ATCO (radar rated) USD6470 to 12700 plus 1920 housing allowance per month.
The annual income tax is around 10%. A Big Mac costs about USD2 in Hong Kong.
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Senior ATCO (radar rated) USD6470 to 12700 plus 1920 housing allowance per month.
The annual income tax is around 10%.
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If I am belgian living in Belgium but working in the Netherlands at eurocontrol. Can I have the expatriate status ?
Or do I also need to live in the netherlands ?
Does someone know the conditions to get it ?
thanks
Or do I also need to live in the netherlands ?
Does someone know the conditions to get it ?
thanks
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FrenchATCO,
Two words -- George Bush.
There is no contract -- no signed agreement. There are only "Imposed Work Rules."
It is illegal to strike or engage in any type of job action for U.S. Government employees. That is the reason President Reagan was allowed to fire all the PATCO controllers in 1981.
If you find it hard to understand from over there, imagine being over here.
The only legal recourse an individual has is to retire or quit. Controllers are doing both in record numbers.
I retired in 2006 when the Imposed Work Rules were implemented. My pay was roughly $150,000 (per year) the year I retired -- after 25 years at the Atlanta ARTCCenter.
Don Brown
Two words -- George Bush.
There is no contract -- no signed agreement. There are only "Imposed Work Rules."
It is illegal to strike or engage in any type of job action for U.S. Government employees. That is the reason President Reagan was allowed to fire all the PATCO controllers in 1981.
If you find it hard to understand from over there, imagine being over here.
The only legal recourse an individual has is to retire or quit. Controllers are doing both in record numbers.I retired in 2006 when the Imposed Work Rules were implemented. My pay was roughly $150,000 (per year) the year I retired -- after 25 years at the Atlanta ARTCCenter.
Don Brown
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
I'm really sorry to read this. I feel for you. I'm sorry you had to retire from such a beautiful job because of those incredibly abusive conditions. I would have done the same thing.
And that's supposed to be the land of freedom and democracy!?
Maybe here in Spain we would have all resigned next morning and let's see if they use teachers and mailmen to control the traffic. Of course, this is easier said than done, but with 96% of the ATCOs in the same union it's feasible.
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Is it just me or are Belgocontrol salaries low compared to other institutions such as Eurocontrol?
Belgocontrol salaries are comparable with other Western-European ATCO salaries but the taxation in Belgium is grotesque...
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Eurocontrol salaries are ridiculously high
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What kind of deduction would you like to do? I have a belgian salary. From my house credit, I can deduct 2800 per year, and because my income is taxed up to 50%, I can get back 50% of that amount each year. Namely, thanks to this deduction, I get 1400 euros back from the state each year. In other word, it is like if I earned 120 euros more per month... hum hum, compared to eurocontrol salaries.... it means nothing!!
What do you wanna deduct else?
In Eurocontrol, if you have 2 children and a non working wife, you'll get about 1500 euros extra per month? In belgium, guess how many? 342 euros!!!
So deduction or not, it is nothing compared to such salaries and Eurocontrol still has very good salaries
What do you wanna deduct else?
In Eurocontrol, if you have 2 children and a non working wife, you'll get about 1500 euros extra per month? In belgium, guess how many? 342 euros!!!
So deduction or not, it is nothing compared to such salaries and Eurocontrol still has very good salaries
