CAS Infringement 29 June 06
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CAS Infringement 29 June 06
I was intrigued by a 7000 squawk doing aeros over Colchester this lunchtime, indicating FL 90!
It changed over to a Thames Radar squawk after a couple of minutes. I tuned in to Thames on a spare box to hear "***** *** 66" getting a bit of a bollocking. I'm guessing it was a JP out of North Weald.
Did he get nicked when he landed? What's the penalty these days for being that f*cking stupid?
LXGB
It changed over to a Thames Radar squawk after a couple of minutes. I tuned in to Thames on a spare box to hear "***** *** 66" getting a bit of a bollocking. I'm guessing it was a JP out of North Weald.
Did he get nicked when he landed? What's the penalty these days for being that f*cking stupid?
LXGB
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What's the penalty these days for being that f*cking stupid?
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I wonder if this was the same moron (in a JP) that I had cause to talk to a couple of years ago after he decided to go arsing about in the upper air on a VFR squawk (I am sure it was a JP), just north-east of London. The chap I spoke to was a complete arse and didn't give a toss that we had seriously considered launching QRA to find out what the hell he was up to.
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Originally Posted by SirToppamHat
I wonder if this was the same moron (in a JP) that I had cause to talk to a couple of years ago after he decided to go arsing about in the upper air on a VFR squawk (I am sure it was a JP), just north-east of London. The chap I spoke to was a complete arse and didn't give a toss that we had seriously considered launching QRA to find out what the hell he was up to.
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I have difficulty remembering the last time I saw a JP, of any description, in the "Upper Air". Are you sure?
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Hi London Mil,
I agree it's strange that he spoke to Thames at that location at that level.
Unverified yes, absolutely, but he did say to Thames he was descending immediately to exit the airspace, then said his map was possibly out of date, then apologised, a lot.
Draw your own conclusions from that.
Call me cynical, but it looked and sounded pretty much like an infringement to me
Best Regards,
LXGB
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"Service ceiling: 44,000 ft" - according to Wikipedia!
I agree it's strange that he spoke to Thames at that location at that level.
Unverified yes, absolutely, but he did say to Thames he was descending immediately to exit the airspace, then said his map was possibly out of date, then apologised, a lot.
Draw your own conclusions from that.
Call me cynical, but it looked and sounded pretty much like an infringement to me
Best Regards,
LXGB
PS- Never underestimate the Noddy Jet!
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Originally Posted by LXGB
I was intrigued by a 7000 squawk doing aeros over Colchester this lunchtime, indicating FL 90!
It changed over to a Thames Radar squawk after a couple of minutes. I tuned in to Thames on a spare box to hear "BLACK CAT 66" getting a bit of a bollocking. I'm guessing it was a JP out of North Weald.
Did he get nicked when he landed? What's the penalty these days for being that f*cking stupid?
LXGB
It changed over to a Thames Radar squawk after a couple of minutes. I tuned in to Thames on a spare box to hear "BLACK CAT 66" getting a bit of a bollocking. I'm guessing it was a JP out of North Weald.
Did he get nicked when he landed? What's the penalty these days for being that f*cking stupid?
LXGB
And to all of Talkdownman's colleagues who do offer the best service they can to those of us who operate in the area in class G airspace, thank you. It makes it safer for all airspace users. Please keep doing what your workload permits.
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what's so strange about him talking to Thames in that area at that level, surely it's no stranger than him doing aeros at that level in that position?
If (and this is without any facts other than this thread), he had screwed up, he may have realised and jumped to the first frequency he could think of i.e. one he knows.
On the other hand, he could have been given thames frequency to contact as he would be rapidly descending and thus getting into Thames territory.
Thames is in the same room as the rest of the TC controllers, coordination in this instance would be swift.
This actually happened on the afternoon of Tuesday 27th as well, with an aircraft unverified at about FL80 in the Spear area, this aircraft then started talking to Thames and was quickly descended.
Hi London Mil,
I agree it's strange that he spoke to Thames at that location at that level.
I agree it's strange that he spoke to Thames at that location at that level.
If (and this is without any facts other than this thread), he had screwed up, he may have realised and jumped to the first frequency he could think of i.e. one he knows.
On the other hand, he could have been given thames frequency to contact as he would be rapidly descending and thus getting into Thames territory.
Thames is in the same room as the rest of the TC controllers, coordination in this instance would be swift.
This actually happened on the afternoon of Tuesday 27th as well, with an aircraft unverified at about FL80 in the Spear area, this aircraft then started talking to Thames and was quickly descended.
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what's so strange about him talking to Thames in that area at that level, surely it's no stranger than him doing aeros at that level in that position?
what's so strange about him talking to Thames in that area at that level, surely it's no stranger than him doing aeros at that level in that position?
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Colchester? Aeros? Talking to Thames? = Madness.
Thames Radar Service Provision is clearly published in the UK AIP.
That isn't one of them. It's time for Users and Abusers to re-acquaint themselves with the entries.
Thames Radar Service Provision is clearly published in the UK AIP.
That isn't one of them. It's time for Users and Abusers to re-acquaint themselves with the entries.
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Originally Posted by Talkdownman
I complete my (long) sentence at HMP Thames on 3rd.
PS. Just what service does Thames Radar provide?
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I have difficulty remembering the last time I saw a JP, of any description, in the "Upper Air". Are you sure?
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Airspace Infringement
It matters not weather he actually infringed controlled airspce or not. He will not be fined and his licence will not be endorsed in any way. At worst he may have to talk to an overworked controller (during the controllers break) in order to meet a requirement in one of the 21-Destinations. Thats it. There is nothing to actually prevent him doing the same thing tomorrow.
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I think it is very disappointing how light the penalties are for significant infringements considering the disruption caused. I see too many 'Formal Cautions' and nothing which is hard hitting. Hitting the wallet doesn't seem to have much impact. An imposition of compulsory flight test or re-training ought to be much more effective and humiliating for the serious offender. It is also interesting how we occasionally see the same recurring airframes involved in these incidents from the same old places.The electronic reports take an age to complete then no apparent action is taken. Little wonder that ATCOs cannot be bothered to report them.The infringements this morning in the London area were coming thick and fast by 11am. Even with successful tracing action there just isn't the time to make the reports and, quite frankly, nobody seemed to be bothered.