Filing ATC flight Plans on the internet
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Filing ATC flight Plans on the internet
Any news on the alleged introduction of the facility to file ATC flight Plans on the internet (like OLIVIA in France)
Where?
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slight thread creep, but after spending time working in Australia and getting my PPL in the process (so ok, I admit, there was rather more flying and rather less working at some points!) I was amazed when I returned to the UK that a lot of things seemed to be so arcane back home... This being one of them.
Filing and briefing services from Airservices Australia via the Internet was excellent compared to the "Yes, um well, we um, fax it to Heathrow" method here
Ah well, we can live in hope it might come some day, I suppose.
Filing and briefing services from Airservices Australia via the Internet was excellent compared to the "Yes, um well, we um, fax it to Heathrow" method here
Ah well, we can live in hope it might come some day, I suppose.
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The project to develop filing of FPLs via the Internet is ongoing. The NATS department involved is expected to relocate to Swanwick (probably in 2007), and if the project is successfully completed, you can expect to see this Internet service made available, in addition to all current flight planning services, sometime after the move takes place.
I cannot see that Internet filing will replace all other means of filing your FPL - not everybody has Internet access, and sometimes a phone call or "the "Yes, um well, we um, fax it to Heathrow" method" actually works better.
Normal service will be provided by Heathrow FBU as usual, and for the currently foreseeable NATS future (which, admittedly, isn't that far ahead!
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I cannot see that Internet filing will replace all other means of filing your FPL - not everybody has Internet access, and sometimes a phone call or "the "Yes, um well, we um, fax it to Heathrow" method" actually works better.
Normal service will be provided by Heathrow FBU as usual, and for the currently foreseeable NATS future (which, admittedly, isn't that far ahead!
)
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I [in Manch flight Plans] was passed a departure time 'tother day..."Not filed with us" quote I.
"Ah, it was filed on the Internet last night, but I'll send you a copy"
Partial FPL arrives...send it off to IFPS...Reject.... Plan already in system
I though that if IFPS had a Flight Plan they had to tx it to ALL interested parties?
BTW the FPL was sent from Vienna
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"Ah, it was filed on the Internet last night, but I'll send you a copy"
Partial FPL arrives...send it off to IFPS...Reject.... Plan already in system
I though that if IFPS had a Flight Plan they had to tx it to ALL interested parties?BTW the FPL was sent from Vienna
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Can I ask a question about filing flight plans on the internet, in these countries that already have this facility who is responsible for making sure that the flight plan is addressed to the correct addresses?
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Originally Posted by samos
Can I ask a question about filing flight plans on the internet, in these countries that already have this facility who is responsible for making sure that the flight plan is addressed to the correct addresses?
The AIS/flight plan offices (local and central) are responsible for addressing VFR flight plans to destination and arrival aerodromes and to relevant ACCs. The ACCs are responsible for addressing the flight plans to all relevant aerodromes within its AOR, ...I think.
M609, you are still an AIS office, right?
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Originally Posted by White Hart
The project to develop filing of FPLs via the Internet is ongoing. The NATS department involved is expected to relocate to Swanwick (probably in 2007), and if the project is successfully completed, you can expect to see this Internet service made available, in addition to all current flight planning services, sometime after the move takes place.
I cannot see that Internet filing will replace all other means of filing your FPL - not everybody has Internet access, and sometimes a phone call or "the "Yes, um well, we um, fax it to Heathrow" method" actually works better.
Normal service will be provided by Heathrow FBU as usual, and for the currently foreseeable NATS future (which, admittedly, isn't that far ahead! )
I cannot see that Internet filing will replace all other means of filing your FPL - not everybody has Internet access, and sometimes a phone call or "the "Yes, um well, we um, fax it to Heathrow" method" actually works better.
Normal service will be provided by Heathrow FBU as usual, and for the currently foreseeable NATS future (which, admittedly, isn't that far ahead!
)And of course very few of us in the UK understand how to use the internet and that's assuming that we even have acces to it!
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In a previous post I remarked about a Flight Plan that Manc did not get.
The said FPL was a "Z" VFR/IFR Plan from Gamston to Reims. VFR to Clacton, then IFR. As "Parent" for Gamston, we would expect any and all Gamston in/outbounds to be tx'd to us so we can fax them to Gamston......it ain't so. It appears that the "Person Who Originates Said FPL" should include ALL relevant ATC addresses so that "Local" ATC are informed
This a/c was "N" reg, so he may be [technically] correct in filing on 'tinternet but what provisos' are in place to let the ATSUs involved thet he is flying from A to B?
E.G. Certain EEC countries are VFR below 10,000 ft.
I file [on the Internet] Gamston direct SAM/N0200F090 IFR N866 EGJJ. IFPS accepts this Plan. I am VFR to SAM, and being used [in my own country] to fly at FL90...I do so. Also, I am unaware of my "responsibility" to let All other participating ATSUs know about my actions.
Whilst not a [total] Luddite...I am not too happy with this system
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The said FPL was a "Z" VFR/IFR Plan from Gamston to Reims. VFR to Clacton, then IFR. As "Parent" for Gamston, we would expect any and all Gamston in/outbounds to be tx'd to us so we can fax them to Gamston......it ain't so. It appears that the "Person Who Originates Said FPL" should include ALL relevant ATC addresses so that "Local" ATC are informed
This a/c was "N" reg, so he may be [technically] correct in filing on 'tinternet but what provisos' are in place to let the ATSUs involved thet he is flying from A to B?
E.G. Certain EEC countries are VFR below 10,000 ft.
I file [on the Internet] Gamston direct SAM/N0200F090 IFR N866 EGJJ. IFPS accepts this Plan. I am VFR to SAM, and being used [in my own country] to fly at FL90...I do so. Also, I am unaware of my "responsibility" to let All other participating ATSUs know about my actions.
Whilst not a [total] Luddite...I am not too happy with this system
watp,iktch
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Originally Posted by chiglet
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I know what it means, but will life be ever the same again without the previous bizzare yet intriguing quotation?
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Originally Posted by chiglet
I file [on the Internet] Gamston direct SAM/N0200F090 IFR N866 EGJJ. IFPS accepts this Plan. I am VFR to SAM, and being used [in my own country] to fly at FL90...I do so. Also, I am unaware of my "responsibility" to let All other participating ATSUs know about my actions.Whilst not a [total] Luddite...I am not too happy with this system
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Credit for this statement goes to Wikipidea.
It's published in all the National AIPs of the ECAC:
2.5. Distribution of Messages by the IFPS
The IFPS distributes all IFR/GAT flight plan and associated messages to the appropriate
addressees within the IFPS Distribution Area.
In addition, IFPS distributes all IFR/GAT flight plan and associated messages to all “extra addresses”, regardless of their location, which are provided by the message originator using the Re-addressing Function. (see § 2.3.3.)
Flight plans and associated messages which are part IFR or GAT will be addressed automatically by IFPS only to those ATS Units concerned with the IFR or GAT portion of the route. The message originator is always responsible for ensuring the addressing of all appropriate messages to those addressees concerned with VFR or OAT route portions. The re-addressing function can be used for this purpose.
The IFPS distributes all IFR/GAT flight plan and associated messages to the appropriate
addressees within the IFPS Distribution Area.
In addition, IFPS distributes all IFR/GAT flight plan and associated messages to all “extra addresses”, regardless of their location, which are provided by the message originator using the Re-addressing Function. (see § 2.3.3.)
Flight plans and associated messages which are part IFR or GAT will be addressed automatically by IFPS only to those ATS Units concerned with the IFR or GAT portion of the route. The message originator is always responsible for ensuring the addressing of all appropriate messages to those addressees concerned with VFR or OAT route portions. The re-addressing function can be used for this purpose.
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M609, you are still an AIS office, right?
Kicked that lot over to AIS at Oslo Gardermoen in August. In Norway only one satelite office remain: Orland TWR. (They will hand over to Oslo sometime this year.)
Our local flight school use internet for alle their birefing/FPL needs. The Wing Operations center at the local Air Wing still use Fax/Phone. (They get to ommit field 19, and that does not work on the internet solution)
And yes, they file via the civ system as well.
It all works great in my opinion.
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Why the internet??
Pilots have had to file certain flight plans before the internet became a tool for filing ,so if you do not have internet access you should know where and how to file a plan.
If you do not have the internet do you think you should know where and how to file one.
The phone has been around a long time, may be find the phone number of the parent Air Traffic Services Unit and file one with them???.
At the end of the day a flight plan if handled correctly is for the pilots own health and not for the air traffic unit so do things in the correct way please.
Pilots have had to file certain flight plans before the internet became a tool for filing ,so if you do not have internet access you should know where and how to file a plan.
If you do not have the internet do you think you should know where and how to file one.
The phone has been around a long time, may be find the phone number of the parent Air Traffic Services Unit and file one with them???.
At the end of the day a flight plan if handled correctly is for the pilots own health and not for the air traffic unit so do things in the correct way please.
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Originally Posted by niknak
A new catch phrase?
I know what it means, but will life be ever the same again without the previous bizzare yet intriguing quotation?
I know what it means, but will life be ever the same again without the previous bizzare yet intriguing quotation?