Filing ATC flight Plans on the internet
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Just to add to what LN-ATC said above re the Norwegian filing via the net.
When we made our system (ourselves) we contacted the Swedes and Belgians to see how they do it - and took pages from their book.
In Norway, a pilot files the entire FPL via the net, it is then presented on a queue at our central AIS office at Gardermoen.'
They will then validate the FPL, they can also use IFPUV for the IFR portions. Then they will add the AFTN addresses and submit it. Then the Norwegian rules that LN-ATC describes kick in for any VFR part of the FPL.
As for the filer, no FPL filed via the net is valid until she or he has been contacted by the AIS office stating that the FPL has been accepted.
One cannot expect a pilot to know all the intricasies of correct addressing of a FPL - I`ve seen enough examples where even AIS offices domestic and abroad and flight operations centres (CIV and MIL) have messed this up.
Cheers.
When we made our system (ourselves) we contacted the Swedes and Belgians to see how they do it - and took pages from their book.
In Norway, a pilot files the entire FPL via the net, it is then presented on a queue at our central AIS office at Gardermoen.'
They will then validate the FPL, they can also use IFPUV for the IFR portions. Then they will add the AFTN addresses and submit it. Then the Norwegian rules that LN-ATC describes kick in for any VFR part of the FPL.
As for the filer, no FPL filed via the net is valid until she or he has been contacted by the AIS office stating that the FPL has been accepted.
One cannot expect a pilot to know all the intricasies of correct addressing of a FPL - I`ve seen enough examples where even AIS offices domestic and abroad and flight operations centres (CIV and MIL) have messed this up.
Cheers.
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Addressing of Plans
Down here we have seen pilots putting there own address in the FPL address boxes.
Pilots still do not know what area they need to fill in in some times.
Pilots will even put a load of junk in the remarks column.
Some ATC units will transmit information that is not part of the correct format for filing.
So it is not only pilots that need lessons but other people dealing with flight plans.
With IFR plans at least if there is some incorrect information the plan will get rejected so this should also apply to VFR plans so only the correct information will be accepted.
Pilots and ATS units should have the knowledge or access to correct flight planning information.
Pilots and Air Traffic staff will not ask so in the end the are the ones who lood stupid for getting it wrong.
Pilots still do not know what area they need to fill in in some times.
Pilots will even put a load of junk in the remarks column.
Some ATC units will transmit information that is not part of the correct format for filing.
So it is not only pilots that need lessons but other people dealing with flight plans.
With IFR plans at least if there is some incorrect information the plan will get rejected so this should also apply to VFR plans so only the correct information will be accepted.
Pilots and ATS units should have the knowledge or access to correct flight planning information.
Pilots and Air Traffic staff will not ask so in the end the are the ones who lood stupid for getting it wrong.
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Originally Posted by GBALU53
..Some ATC units will transmit information that is not part of the correct format for filing.
So it is not only pilots that need lessons but other people dealing with flight plans.
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So it is not only pilots that need lessons but other people dealing with flight plans.
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so exactly which ATC Unit(s) are you referring to? They obviously don't know they're doing things wrong (according to you, that is), so they won't pick up on your comments relating to them if you don't say who you think is making the mistakes.
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I assume you must work in ATC if you do not see hard copies of FPLs i could understand.
You just have to see FPLs come through the system to work out where the fpls were filed this only really applies to vfr plans as you must know that IFR one need to be perfect for the European Computer System but as some of us know even they can get the odd thing incorrect.
Hope this helps but VFR pilot are possble not thought enough on FPL issues??
There are books available and even the Air Pilot has some guide lines so if you do not know ask should be the mottow
You just have to see FPLs come through the system to work out where the fpls were filed this only really applies to vfr plans as you must know that IFR one need to be perfect for the European Computer System but as some of us know even they can get the odd thing incorrect.
Hope this helps but VFR pilot are possble not thought enough on FPL issues??
There are books available and even the Air Pilot has some guide lines so if you do not know ask should be the mottow
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WELL WHITE HART
I assume you must work in ATC if you do not see hard copies of FPLs i could understand.
You just have to see FPLs come through the system to work out where the fpls were filed this only really applies to vfr plans as you must know that IFR one need to be perfect for the European Computer System but as some of us know even they can get the odd thing incorrect.
Hope this helps but VFR pilot are possble not thought enough on FPL issues??
There are books available and even the Air Pilot has some guide lines so if you do not know ask should be the mottow
You just have to see FPLs come through the system to work out where the fpls were filed this only really applies to vfr plans as you must know that IFR one need to be perfect for the European Computer System but as some of us know even they can get the odd thing incorrect.
Hope this helps but VFR pilot are possble not thought enough on FPL issues??
There are books available and even the Air Pilot has some guide lines so if you do not know ask should be the mottow
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I have been filing oon the internet for some time for flights to from and within the UK. Never had a problem. Get an SMS message to the mobile of the ACK and when IFR the CTOT if applicable. This is also emailed to ops. Great system also produces the weather and NOTAM briefing based on the FPL route.
Obvously the provider is European but not UK based!
Chiglet, It makes no difference where a flight plan isfiled for a departure from Gamston. If I file a plan as you describe in say Athens with Gamston as the departure then if the flight is VFR, the only address placed on the plan by Athens is the Gamston AFTN address or if it does not have one the responsible ACC unit which is MACC. It is up to that unit to address the outbound plan correctly. If however it is an IFR plan then the IFPS does all the work.
Funny thing is that this non-UK provider with the excellent integrated service uses the same system that NATS currently uses so why can't NATS get the same out of it?
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Obvously the provider is European but not UK based!
Chiglet, It makes no difference where a flight plan isfiled for a departure from Gamston. If I file a plan as you describe in say Athens with Gamston as the departure then if the flight is VFR, the only address placed on the plan by Athens is the Gamston AFTN address or if it does not have one the responsible ACC unit which is MACC. It is up to that unit to address the outbound plan correctly. If however it is an IFR plan then the IFPS does all the work.
Funny thing is that this non-UK provider with the excellent integrated service uses the same system that NATS currently uses so why can't NATS get the same out of it?
Regards,
DFC
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Originally Posted by GBALU53
I assume you must work in ATC if you do not see hard copies of FPLs i could understand.
You just have to see FPLs come through the system to work out where the fpls were filed this only really applies to vfr plans ...
You just have to see FPLs come through the system to work out where the fpls were filed this only really applies to vfr plans ...
Quote "Some ATC units will transmit information that is not part of the correct format for filing. So it is not only pilots that need lessons but other people dealing with flight plans..."
So, like I said, (and this is not said just to start an argument, but a first move/suggestion to rectify your problem) if you say that you are receiving incorrectly completed FPLs from an ATC Unit, then let them know who they are - Heathrow included, if we are the culprits. Nobody's going to clean up their act if they are not made aware of the problem that you are identifying.
Bear in mind that the identified Unit(s) will probably ask for examples from you - we certainly would!
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Originally Posted by beerdrinker
Any news on the alleged introduction of the facility to file ATC flight Plans on the internet (like OLIVIA in France)
Most of my flights are within Greece (LGGG FIR) but some also in the neighbouring countries.
70% of my flights are IFR.
In all IFR & VFR FPLs never had an issue except the ocasional surprise by the local CAA staff receiving the FPL for the 1st time not by a local ATS unit. They always tell me "your FPL is already here via Eurocontrol !" when actually it is Vienna ACC (or whatever its called) that sends them.
In all of the FPLs I get an SMS in my mobile regarding FPL acceptance (Eurocontrol CFMU validity) and also any CTOTs that may be issued on the departure.
Excellent service
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ATC FPL via Internet
you have to register to homebriefing.com of Austrocontrol. It is free for 1 or 2months then you must pay a very reasonable fee.
You can receive ACK and CTOT messages via SMS on your
cell !!!!
You can receive ACK and CTOT messages via SMS on your
cell !!!!
