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Old 26th Jul 2006, 06:29
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THO, is it the RAF radar that is regularly failing, or the bit of wire between Waddington/Scampton and Liverpool that is at fault? I ask because one would presume there would be a contractural issue if the military were not meeting a certain level of availability.

That said, fag packet an ATS infrastructure and you'll get what you pay for.
 
Old 26th Jul 2006, 08:35
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...and the RAF's radar enjoys more annual leave than a NATS Director, and just like NATS Directors, it does not book its leave in advance (in other words it fails or is removed from service with no notice with frightening regularity)!
When Doncaster ATC was being "planned" - as you say, on the back of a fag packet - I raised with the Great One the practical problems of relying on outside sources of remote radar, particularly from military units. I gained the impression that the "down side" had never occurred to him/them! You can have whatever contract and penalty clauses you like but they still will not alter the fact that the radar has failed/been withdrawn/has inadequate low cover/military unit closed in latest defence review.
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Old 26th Jul 2006, 09:43
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London Mil: There have been some line faults, but the vast majority of it has been faults and repairs at the unit (one month saw us operate non-radar on 15 days). And, unlike Waddington, we are not allowed to operate on SSR only, so a primary failure takes everything away from us. On the plus side, the company has come to realise the down sides of remote radars provided by the military, and are now installing a primary radar on site, and switching to a NATS source for SSR data, but that will all take time. Had this been done in the first place.....

Hindsight and ATC... A marvellous thing... If only they had the excuse that they hadn't been told what would happen!
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Old 26th Jul 2006, 10:21
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I do remember sitting in a priveleged place a couple of years back watching all this shenanigans develop. There are some things in ATC that really aren't worth fiddling with..............

Still, the Watchman at Waddo must be in a poor state for it to have fallen over for almost half a month.
 

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