Behave yourselves, you naughty ATCOs !!!
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5MB.... Cheers! I've been told that I have the one basic character flaw that bars me, and most ATCOs, from management type posts. Basic, brutal honesty.
Gutted? me? err.. NO
Rgds BEX
Gutted? me? err.. NO
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Is this really worth getting so worked up about. Don't you think it's actually a pity that a group of senior managers found it necessary to publish such a letter in the first place? Do you really want to work for a company that tolerates the following?
Any form of discrimination (sexual, racial, religious, age etc). . .Intolerance. . .Bullying. . .Blatant disregard for reasonable rules or conventions. . .Anything which causes offence or embarrassment to others; such offence is not measured by the giver but by the receiver. This may include subtle ostracism. . .Swearing or abusive language; it is borne of ignorance and causes offence. . .‘Bad’ behaviour may be spoken, written, or physical or covert.
It's been a difficult year for all of us, ATSAs and ATCOs alike, but being operational doesn't give anybody the right to treat others badly. This letter wasn't intended for everybody, so if you're not guilty of those behaviours mentioned, just ignore it.
Any form of discrimination (sexual, racial, religious, age etc). . .Intolerance. . .Bullying. . .Blatant disregard for reasonable rules or conventions. . .Anything which causes offence or embarrassment to others; such offence is not measured by the giver but by the receiver. This may include subtle ostracism. . .Swearing or abusive language; it is borne of ignorance and causes offence. . .‘Bad’ behaviour may be spoken, written, or physical or covert.
It's been a difficult year for all of us, ATSAs and ATCOs alike, but being operational doesn't give anybody the right to treat others badly. This letter wasn't intended for everybody, so if you're not guilty of those behaviours mentioned, just ignore it.
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Do I think it's worth getting worked up about? Why do you think I posted my views (and those of MOST of my colleagues) here?
If it wasn't intended for the MAJORITY why not target the individuals concerned? As I stated above this is another failure of management. They have failed to deal with the alleged problems and have seen fit to blame ALL the ATCOs and ATSAs in LATCC.
I have seen the effect of this letter on people first hand, and I repeat it's p*ssed people off big time. It's possible that the managers nievely thought that it wouldn't cause a problem. It's equally possible that they have no idea what HAS happened following it's publication. Now they have no excuse.
If it wasn't intended for everyone, how come everyone posted to NERC has been given their own individually addressed (on the welcome pack) copy? No, this is another crass initiative that has backfired, for simple lack of care. A little thought would have avoided it. All I am asking for is "management" to do their job properly, i.e. manage.
Some questions for you now Karoshi if you think this is nothing serious. How does the publication of this letter to all and sundry do anything for Staff / Mangement relationships (already strained at best)? How does this make anyone feel a valued employee? How does this make anyone want to contribute anything to a company whose management have such a low opinion of its CORE (money earning) operational workforce.
Face it. They screwed up again. How to fix it? Easy. Openly APOLOGISE. ADMIT they were wrong. DEAL with the alleged incidents / people openly.. .Too hard? Probably.
rgds BEX
Do I think it's worth getting worked up about? Why do you think I posted my views (and those of MOST of my colleagues) here?
If it wasn't intended for the MAJORITY why not target the individuals concerned? As I stated above this is another failure of management. They have failed to deal with the alleged problems and have seen fit to blame ALL the ATCOs and ATSAs in LATCC.
I have seen the effect of this letter on people first hand, and I repeat it's p*ssed people off big time. It's possible that the managers nievely thought that it wouldn't cause a problem. It's equally possible that they have no idea what HAS happened following it's publication. Now they have no excuse.
If it wasn't intended for everyone, how come everyone posted to NERC has been given their own individually addressed (on the welcome pack) copy? No, this is another crass initiative that has backfired, for simple lack of care. A little thought would have avoided it. All I am asking for is "management" to do their job properly, i.e. manage.
Some questions for you now Karoshi if you think this is nothing serious. How does the publication of this letter to all and sundry do anything for Staff / Mangement relationships (already strained at best)? How does this make anyone feel a valued employee? How does this make anyone want to contribute anything to a company whose management have such a low opinion of its CORE (money earning) operational workforce.
Face it. They screwed up again. How to fix it? Easy. Openly APOLOGISE. ADMIT they were wrong. DEAL with the alleged incidents / people openly.. .Too hard? Probably.
rgds BEX
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Firstly, I got my copy of the letter and I hope that I do not exhibit any of the behaviours listed. Therefore I do not believe this letter was intended for me - so no offence taken.
If you don't address such a letter to everyone, it is quite possible that those who haven't been quilty of unacceptable behaviour in the past may think that it will be acceptable in the future.
I'm not management, never have been and never will be but I would rather have a discussion about management trying to address standards rather than one about managements lack of action over such matters.
What I think is really sad is that in a professional company such as ours, this subject needed to be mentioned at all.
If you don't address such a letter to everyone, it is quite possible that those who haven't been quilty of unacceptable behaviour in the past may think that it will be acceptable in the future.
I'm not management, never have been and never will be but I would rather have a discussion about management trying to address standards rather than one about managements lack of action over such matters.
What I think is really sad is that in a professional company such as ours, this subject needed to be mentioned at all.
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Karoshi,
You are entitled to your opinion, and as we are in the Democratic PPruNe world, I'll defend your right to say it. That's what the Forums (Fora?) here are all about.
Personally I don't agree however. The NERC and LATCC "Standards" are enshrined in the CORE VALUE and LATCC charter documents that everybody is already aware of already.
The "New Opportunity" document goes a lot further and in my opinion is blatantly intimidatory towards the operational staff, which I repeat have done an exceptional job under extremely trying circumstances. The VAST majority of those staff have not behaved badly in any shape or form, and yet, here they are singled out for criticism.
By all means tackle those who have allegedly had problems. On proper investigation it may well be that there is more to each story than first meets the eye. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.
The world of Operational ATC, at LATCC, ScATCC, MAASTRICHT, KZFW... wherever you care to mention in world, is FULL of strong characters. It is in the nature of the job. Every ATCO I've ever met had STRONG opinions and has had no difficulty in expressing them. Ever wonder why? In order to do a high pressure job, function in a team and all the million and one other things that good controllers do, a certain mindset has to exist, or be developed. It's one that admin staff in particular have difficulty with I've noticed.
Whilst I do not advocate bad behaviour towards anyone, it has to be accepted that OPERATIONAL staff work under a different pressure from those in offices. It is failure of management not to recognise this.
As I said at the top, you are welcome to your opinions, but I don't agree. Neither do the majority of ATCOs at LATCC methinks.
Best rgds BEX
You are entitled to your opinion, and as we are in the Democratic PPruNe world, I'll defend your right to say it. That's what the Forums (Fora?) here are all about.
Personally I don't agree however. The NERC and LATCC "Standards" are enshrined in the CORE VALUE and LATCC charter documents that everybody is already aware of already.
The "New Opportunity" document goes a lot further and in my opinion is blatantly intimidatory towards the operational staff, which I repeat have done an exceptional job under extremely trying circumstances. The VAST majority of those staff have not behaved badly in any shape or form, and yet, here they are singled out for criticism.
By all means tackle those who have allegedly had problems. On proper investigation it may well be that there is more to each story than first meets the eye. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.
The world of Operational ATC, at LATCC, ScATCC, MAASTRICHT, KZFW... wherever you care to mention in world, is FULL of strong characters. It is in the nature of the job. Every ATCO I've ever met had STRONG opinions and has had no difficulty in expressing them. Ever wonder why? In order to do a high pressure job, function in a team and all the million and one other things that good controllers do, a certain mindset has to exist, or be developed. It's one that admin staff in particular have difficulty with I've noticed.
Whilst I do not advocate bad behaviour towards anyone, it has to be accepted that OPERATIONAL staff work under a different pressure from those in offices. It is failure of management not to recognise this.
As I said at the top, you are welcome to your opinions, but I don't agree. Neither do the majority of ATCOs at LATCC methinks.
Best rgds BEX
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Karoshi, I got my letter and I can say I always exhibit bad behaviour in one form, and that'll NEVER change. However, I exhibit it in certain places to certain people who are not offended one little bit. I can also put my hand up to another two, which I have exhibited VERY rarely, but none the less, have done it, not really thinking about it and never meaning to upset anyone.
However, I know that one MANAGER has also shown all these types of bad behaviour, and there are others that have shown some, but again, most incidents occurred where NO offence was taken.
I hope they all sent themselves the letter too, and it doesn't stop there either, as ATCO's, ATSA's, and management aren't the only culprits in NATS, therefore making the company itself discriminate against some of its own employees!!!!!!
However, I know that one MANAGER has also shown all these types of bad behaviour, and there are others that have shown some, but again, most incidents occurred where NO offence was taken.
I hope they all sent themselves the letter too, and it doesn't stop there either, as ATCO's, ATSA's, and management aren't the only culprits in NATS, therefore making the company itself discriminate against some of its own employees!!!!!!
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K - you come across as a naive idiot !. .>>>>Anything which causes offence or embarrassment to others; such offence is not measured by the giver but by the receiver.. .THIS MEANS ANYTHING to the warped and twisted among you - I just hope you are not on the receiving end of an accusation, but perhaps you need it to open your eyes.. .Not that it's any consolation I suppose but the boys in blue all suffer this PC cr@p too...
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Hiya Scott,
KZFW.. Hey, it's a nice place, with nice people. Couldn't think of a better example in the US <g>
I was just pointing out that controller the world over have a very similiar mindset, wherever they are. shucks.. you know all this stuff <G>.
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KZFW.. Hey, it's a nice place, with nice people. Couldn't think of a better example in the US <g>
I was just pointing out that controller the world over have a very similiar mindset, wherever they are. shucks.. you know all this stuff <G>.
Rgds BEX
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<img src="cool.gif" border="0"> Political Correctness.
At a certain UK ATC unit, somewhere between Muckle Flugga and the Scilly Isles, a letter was sent to all the members of a particular watch regarding what the ladies considered to be offensive behaviour on the part of their male colleagues <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> . The following anonynous reply was posted on the notice board the next day :-
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/hex10uk/Clench.doc" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/hex10uk/Clench.doc</a>
At a certain UK ATC unit, somewhere between Muckle Flugga and the Scilly Isles, a letter was sent to all the members of a particular watch regarding what the ladies considered to be offensive behaviour on the part of their male colleagues <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> . The following anonynous reply was posted on the notice board the next day :-
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/hex10uk/Clench.doc" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/hex10uk/Clench.doc</a>
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I've tried the link myself using two ISP's with no problems. Maybe :- your system security is set too high or, if you're typing the URL in yourself, make sure that the 'Clench' is entered with a capital 'C' - it's case sensitive.
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When you get the error page, go to the address bar and delete the "http://" bit, leaving
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/hex10uk/Clench.doc" target="_blank">www.geocities.com/hex10uk/Clench.doc</a>
I hope that works as a link, but it probably won't. I'm an amateur you know!
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. .Edited to say, just tried my link, but that doesn't work properly, so do the deleting bit above <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
[ 29 January 2002: Message edited by: Stan By ]</p>
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/hex10uk/Clench.doc" target="_blank">www.geocities.com/hex10uk/Clench.doc</a>
I hope that works as a link, but it probably won't. I'm an amateur you know!
Cheers
Stan
. .Edited to say, just tried my link, but that doesn't work properly, so do the deleting bit above <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
[ 29 January 2002: Message edited by: Stan By ]</p>
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The file should download as a Doc File. It isn't an actual web page.. .If your browser settings/file associations are wrong then you may have trouble.
An easy fix is to download the new and FREE Opera 6 from <a href="http://www.opera.com." target="_blank">www.opera.com.</a> The non java version ia only a couple of mbs. Far better than IE anyway <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
An easy fix is to download the new and FREE Opera 6 from <a href="http://www.opera.com." target="_blank">www.opera.com.</a> The non java version ia only a couple of mbs. Far better than IE anyway <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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Must be my sense of humour but I found it quite amusing, however, I understand that the person who put the document up has now pulled it - I've tried the URL and it no longer works. Maybe just as well !
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OOPS, I seem to have landed something upon an audience which is almost totally. .ungifted with computer skills and, for the one who managed to read the doc., without. .an appreciation for satire. Sorry !
