"Cleared to Land..."
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From: MSP
"Cleared to Land..."
Hi ATC Guys and Gals...
I was landing in KCAK (AKRON, OH, USA), and the tower controller cleared us to land...thats it. There are several runways at CAK and it can be confusing. I asked the controller which runway we where cleared for and he came back with the response, "Well which runway did approach clear you for?" I came back, "It shouldn't matter, tell us anyway!!!"
My question, is there any thing that Tower controllers are supposed to say as far as cleared to land on runway 5 or just cleared to land? I didn't want to make this an issue but what if there had been a 5L/R? Our company has had problems here before...
I was landing in KCAK (AKRON, OH, USA), and the tower controller cleared us to land...thats it. There are several runways at CAK and it can be confusing. I asked the controller which runway we where cleared for and he came back with the response, "Well which runway did approach clear you for?" I came back, "It shouldn't matter, tell us anyway!!!"
My question, is there any thing that Tower controllers are supposed to say as far as cleared to land on runway 5 or just cleared to land? I didn't want to make this an issue but what if there had been a 5L/R? Our company has had problems here before...
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UK Phraseology is "Cleared to land Rwy...., surface wind is......." and I thought this was pretty much standard throughout the world as far as civil phraseology is concerned. The only time I know where the runway is not given is UK military phraseology. Maybe Scott Voight will give a definitive answer on this as far as the US is concerned?
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From: Fort Worth ARTCC ZFW
Hi Y'all;
I had to go back and check... If you have been cleared for an approach to a runway or there is only one active runway being published, then it is not needed to state the runway again...
from the book....
3-10-5 Landing Clearance
a. Issue landing clearance. Restate the landing runway whenever more than one runway is active, or an instrument approach is being conducted to a closed runway.
PHRASEOLOGY -
CLEARED TO LAND,
or
RUNWAY (designator) CLEARED TO LAND.
b. "USN NOT APPLICABLE." Inform the closest aircraft that is cleared to land, touch-and-go, stop-and-go, or unrestricted low approaches when there is traffic holding on the same runway.
EXAMPLE -
"Delta one, cleared to land. Traffic holding in position."
or
"Delta one, runway one eight, cleared to land. Traffic holding in position."
c. USA/USAF/USN. Issue surface wind when clearing an aircraft to land, touch-and-go, stop-and-go, low approach, or the option. Restate the landing runway whenever there is a possibility of a conflict with another aircraft which is using or is planning to use another runway.
PHRASEOLOGY -
WIND (surface wind direction and velocity), CLEARED TO LAND,
or
WIND (surface wind direction and velocity), RUNWAY (designator) CLEARED TO LAND.
NOTE -
A clearance to land means that appropriate separation on the landing runway will be ensured. A landing clearance does not relieve the pilot from compliance with any previously issued restriction.
regards
I had to go back and check... If you have been cleared for an approach to a runway or there is only one active runway being published, then it is not needed to state the runway again...
from the book....
3-10-5 Landing Clearance
a. Issue landing clearance. Restate the landing runway whenever more than one runway is active, or an instrument approach is being conducted to a closed runway.
PHRASEOLOGY -
CLEARED TO LAND,
or
RUNWAY (designator) CLEARED TO LAND.
b. "USN NOT APPLICABLE." Inform the closest aircraft that is cleared to land, touch-and-go, stop-and-go, or unrestricted low approaches when there is traffic holding on the same runway.
EXAMPLE -
"Delta one, cleared to land. Traffic holding in position."
or
"Delta one, runway one eight, cleared to land. Traffic holding in position."
c. USA/USAF/USN. Issue surface wind when clearing an aircraft to land, touch-and-go, stop-and-go, low approach, or the option. Restate the landing runway whenever there is a possibility of a conflict with another aircraft which is using or is planning to use another runway.
PHRASEOLOGY -
WIND (surface wind direction and velocity), CLEARED TO LAND,
or
WIND (surface wind direction and velocity), RUNWAY (designator) CLEARED TO LAND.
NOTE -
A clearance to land means that appropriate separation on the landing runway will be ensured. A landing clearance does not relieve the pilot from compliance with any previously issued restriction.
regards
