Abu Dhabi Contract - Serco or NATS?
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We have not yet been advised that we have won the contract to run ATC in Abu Dhabi although we believe we are in a strong position. When further details are available on any of these matters we will let you know.
We have not yet been advised that we have won the contract to run ATC in Abu Dhabi although we believe we are in a strong position. When further details are available on any of these matters we will let you know.
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Don't like to say I but we told you so but!
In the end NATS got away lightly as they would have not been able to deliver anything different from SERCO without making a loss.
I'm sure NATS will try again with another SERCO overseas contract but this time they won't be wearing the rosey colored lenses.
In the end NATS got away lightly as they would have not been able to deliver anything different from SERCO without making a loss.
I'm sure NATS will try again with another SERCO overseas contract but this time they won't be wearing the rosey colored lenses.
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I've searched everything I can think of on the www from the DCA website, Serco's own website, the Middle East News agancies and I can't find anything related to a contract award for Abu Dhabi anywhere on the Net.
I would have thought that Serco would have been blowing their own trumpet and announcing this as soon as they could after the contract award.
I would have thought that Serco would have been blowing their own trumpet and announcing this as soon as they could after the contract award.
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NATS were quick enough to inform its staff that they didn't win the contract.
By the language used in the statement, they are mightily pi55ed off too. They mention that the NATS bid was definitely cheaper than SERCO's
By the language used in the statement, they are mightily pi55ed off too. They mention that the NATS bid was definitely cheaper than SERCO's
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From the NATS Intranet
“I am sorry to tell you that we have been advised that NATS (Services) Ltd (NSL) has been unsuccessful in winning the contract to provide air traffic and associated services at Abu Dhabi and Al Ain International Airports...
“The Abu Dhabi Executive Council has retained Serco to manage those operations at these airports for a further period of five years.
“We are obviously disappointed by this decision. Our bid was the cheapest and, we believe, met the requirements of the Department of Civil Aviation and airspace users in the region.
“We are working to better understand the reasons behind the decision. An appeal may be possible. In the meantime, I would like to acknowledge the efforts of the team from Business Development, Airports and Legal, who have been working hard to secure this major overseas operational contract.
“Those efforts are continuing and we are vigorously pursuing other opportunities.”
Hugh Westaway
Director Strategy & Regulation
“I am sorry to tell you that we have been advised that NATS (Services) Ltd (NSL) has been unsuccessful in winning the contract to provide air traffic and associated services at Abu Dhabi and Al Ain International Airports...
“The Abu Dhabi Executive Council has retained Serco to manage those operations at these airports for a further period of five years.
“We are obviously disappointed by this decision. Our bid was the cheapest and, we believe, met the requirements of the Department of Civil Aviation and airspace users in the region.
“We are working to better understand the reasons behind the decision. An appeal may be possible. In the meantime, I would like to acknowledge the efforts of the team from Business Development, Airports and Legal, who have been working hard to secure this major overseas operational contract.
“Those efforts are continuing and we are vigorously pursuing other opportunities.”
Hugh Westaway
Director Strategy & Regulation
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Firstly, understand that those of us at this end have heard nothing.
Secondly, understand that those of us at this end TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER that NATS and many of the posters on the subject on this forum HAD NFI.
I mean, how stupid can you be? Thales went thru EXACTLY the same exercise 3 years ago, underbid, thought they had it right up until the day Serco signed. Business is conducted VERY DIFFERENTLY out here. Contenders for the contract are really just bludgeons to get Serco's price down. If organisations want to come over and piss away money on a bid- go ahead. The only winner is the DCA.
Secondly, understand that those of us at this end TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER that NATS and many of the posters on the subject on this forum HAD NFI.
I mean, how stupid can you be? Thales went thru EXACTLY the same exercise 3 years ago, underbid, thought they had it right up until the day Serco signed. Business is conducted VERY DIFFERENTLY out here. Contenders for the contract are really just bludgeons to get Serco's price down. If organisations want to come over and piss away money on a bid- go ahead. The only winner is the DCA.
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Why? Because I was right? So much for having no clue. A few others might need to look in the mirror in that respect, don't you think?
What's really eating you? The prospect of 3 more years under Seth? If you didn't see it coming, you're an even bigger fool than evidenced by your posts.
Dreams of working for NATS dashed? As if 'NATS M.E.' would've been anything like NATS!
What's really eating you? The prospect of 3 more years under Seth? If you didn't see it coming, you're an even bigger fool than evidenced by your posts.
Dreams of working for NATS dashed? As if 'NATS M.E.' would've been anything like NATS!
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Anyway.... congratulations to SERCO, and I am glad it is finally sorted out, either way. At least now the poor people actually working here can get back to doing their job and not worrying about all this rubbish. Also a couple of other things that have been on hold while this was being sorted, can happen. Yeeha!
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But there no reason to shoot people down for hoping
if you're so f****** clever why didn't you establish a company yourself? Try to win the next contract?
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When I first joined IAL many many moons ago, their company ethos with regard to "overseas" contracts was that they would "establish and retain an overseas contract until such time that the contracting authority was satisfied that the facility could be run by their own national staff".
I think that someone, is pulling (all be it very successfully), someone elses plonker.
All the best to the folks on the coal face.
I think that someone, is pulling (all be it very successfully), someone elses plonker.
All the best to the folks on the coal face.
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If you think the present contract manager is a "plonker", then you must consider that you are capable of doing a better job. If so, you should be out front trying to get things done openly, and pulling everyone else along with you, instead of hiding behind a forum. But then I guess you are too negative to be a leader...
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Hope you guys in the UAE are thinking about danger money from Serco,the way things are in Saudi lately.Just a matter of time before attacks spread unfortunately.I'd think more than twice now,Nats or Serco
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I understand you feeling the way you do throw a dyce but having been here 2 years, while being cautious, I have a great deal of faith in the safety and security of the UAE. I am not saying that nothing will ever happen here, but why someone would feel safer in London than in Dubai or Abu Dhabi confuses me. The bombs in Spain and Bali and the 9/11 attacks prove terrorism will strike anywhere. So while terrorist attacks could happen here, just as they can anywhere in the world, I don't have to worry about personal security, eg. Burglary, mugging, Car theft etc. I won't say no to danger money if SERCO are offering but I certainly don't think it is neccessary.
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Bwahahahaha.......
It's not just me who thinks he's a plonker. I don't know anyone who DOESN'T think he's a plonker. But I digress....
How, exactly, does one get to BE out the front? Oh, that's right... in the fine tradition of being tapped on the shoulder!!! The whole system is just a model of openness and honesty, right?
No, just the years of being beaten into submission having the desired effect.
Bullying, as a leadership style, went out in the 60's. Still very much de rigeur around these parts.
A leader......bwahahahhaa.
As for danger money- just wait until the first 'incident', ANSA.
It's not just me who thinks he's a plonker. I don't know anyone who DOESN'T think he's a plonker. But I digress....
If so, you should be out front trying to get things done openly, and pulling everyone else along with you,
But then I guess you are too negative to be a leader
Bullying, as a leadership style, went out in the 60's. Still very much de rigeur around these parts.
A leader......bwahahahhaa.
As for danger money- just wait until the first 'incident', ANSA.
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I agree Ferris that it only takes the one "incident" to send everyone scurrying but the attitude of the UK guys makes me laugh. When they were sure NATS was going to get the contract, it was all about getting their suncream out, and how they were going to change the world out here. Now NATS has missed out (as a few of us consistently told them was going to happen), they bring out the old chestnut, "well I don't think i'd want to be their anyway...with all that terrorism and stuff". Closest I have seen to terrorism in 2 years here is a local doing 200kmh in his BMW X5, and I'll tell you that terrorises me sometimes.
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From the NATS Intranet:
After reading that I thought, how incredibly arrogant.
You can just picture a NATS suit somewhere, foaming at the mouth and screaming: This is preposterous!! Don't they know who we are??!!
“We are obviously disappointed by this decision. Our bid was the cheapest and, we believe, met the requirements of the Department of Civil Aviation and airspace users in the region.
“We are working to better understand the reasons behind the decision. An appeal may be possible.
“We are working to better understand the reasons behind the decision. An appeal may be possible.
You can just picture a NATS suit somewhere, foaming at the mouth and screaming: This is preposterous!! Don't they know who we are??!!
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How, exactly, does one get to BE out the front? Oh, that's right... in the fine tradition of being tapped on the shoulder!!! The whole system is just a model of openness and honesty, right?
---problem being there is never anybody in the office
