Challenge

[west lakes]

So here's one!
What's this then?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd161/west_lakes/aviation/IMG_0939.jpg

Extra for the aircraft type and the location!

[Kitbag]

non reheated jet pipe, somewhere in the Hunter era?

[Fareastdriver]

Rocket motor for some Saunders Roe dual propellent job.

[Cornish Jack]

Cheapo Chinese cup and saucer viewed from above.

[sycamore]

Nah ,it`s the jetpipe off a J-P and someone has removed the 4 thermocouples..

[RegDep]

Would the location be (then) RAF Museum Cosford?

[west lakes]

Some close, one very close but no cigar yet

[RegDep]

So, you are saying it is the Armstrong Siddeley Viper 8 jet pipe of the Saunders-Roe SR.53 in RAF Museum Cosford?

[west lakes]

So, you are saying it is the Armstrong Siddeley Viper 8 jet pipe of the Saunders-Roe SR.53 in RAF Museum Cosford?


Nope definitely not one of them or at that museum

[RegDep]

Not one but the other, or none of them?

[sycamore]

Alternatively, given the `user-id`,could it be the jet-pipe of the refurbished `BLUEBIRD`,from `oop North...

[west lakes]

I'll concede "jet pipe" and that it is an aircraft (in a museum)

[evansb]

AVRO 707C ?

[10W]

Gloster Meteor at Carlisle ?

[sabredog]

Fairey FD2. Cosford?

[west lakes]

Keep trying, another clue when we get to page two

[sycamore]

Jindivik,at Cosford..?

[Noyade]

Keep trying, another clue when we get to page two I'm looking forward to page 2....

Supermarine Attacker?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9044/img059qp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/img059qp.jpg/)

[RegDep]

If so, then how about Fleet Air Arm Museum?

[Kieron Kirk]

Supermarine 517.

Ciarain.

[west lakes]

We might be on the right track in one answer

This is parked next to it

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd161/west_lakes/aviation/IMG_0941.jpg

[NutherA2]

Is this second one a reheat Sapphire?

[sabredog]

Handley Page HP.115 or Short SC1?

[west lakes]

To the last two, sorry no (but the second photo is a reheat engine as you spotted.

[sycamore]

The second one looks Russian...?

[MReyn24050]

Wild guess, possibly the Sukhoi Su7 pre and post afterburner at Monino?

[west lakes]

Neither of them are Eastern Block

[Noyade]

Neither of them are Eastern Block So, should we be still looking for a British solution...in a British Museum?

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9483/img062fs.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/img062fs.jpg/)

[evansb]

Hmm...is this the start of a new thread? Shall we call it "Name That Tail Pipe" ?

[PEI_3721]

Reheat, Sapphire? An unusual fit; – lets try a Hunter test aircraft with Sapphire or Avon, with reheat.
For the first jet pipe – it’s long, and not a true circular fuselage – Swift?

As an alternative, possibly linking the suggestions above - Supermarine 525.

[west lakes]

Noyade
Yes that is correct but you might have crossed too many aircraft off the list!

[Lightning Mate]

Is it the Hendon Museum?

[MReyn24050]

Clutching at straws. Location FAA Museum Yeovilton Aircraft Handley Page HP115 and BAC 221.

[west lakes]

One out of 3 sir!

[Noyade]

G'day Mel, I thought the HP.115 was eliminated when sabredog mentioned it above?

So maybe...

BAC 221?
Hawker Hunter?...

Fleet Air Arm Museum?

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3446/bac22149347527.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/bac22149347527.jpg/)

Hunter butt....

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8484/indexjt.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/indexjt.jpg/)

"Name That Tail Pipe" ?
Or "Plug that Butt!"....:)

[west lakes]

OOOh very close one type incorrect (but maybe not the maker)

[Noyade]

Harrier?

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3674/images0234441.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/images0234441.jpg/)

[west lakes]

The cheat is the missing engine!
I'm seeing it in the photos!

[west lakes]

A Harrier with re-heat? That would be fun

[MReyn24050]

Hawker P1052 (VX272) at Yeovilton

[Noyade]

This is parked next to it"Rolls-Royce Avon RA.28 power-plant"....

The cheat is the missing engine!
I'm seeing it in the photos!

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/3575/avon28r0900254.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/avon28r0900254.jpg/)

Yeovilton I'm lost.....:}

[MReyn24050]

The other aircraft is Concorde

[MReyn24050]

Hi graeme. The first clue I got was Yeovilton. Based on you getting the maker but it is not a Hunter it must be the Hawker P.1052 and the afterburner in the second.photograph is that used on Concorde.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/e1.jpg

[west lakes]

Got it, the Hawker & Concorde

[MReyn24050]

Thanks west lakes that was a very interesting challenge. I should watch out Avia Quiz might be after you to join them.

[west lakes]

I visoted for the first time last week and couldn't resist that!

I was interested to see 002 as the last time I saw her was a as child in Blackpool whilst she was on her farewell tour. I'v'e got a B&W photo of her flying along the coast somewhere.

[Noyade]

Thanks west lakes that was a very interesting challenge.

Ditto! :ok:

Very nice looking museum.

[west lakes]

The one that impressed most is one part called the flight deck experiance where you are on a simulated carrier flight deck. The most impressive bit being the smell of burnt jet fuel after a "take off"

[MReyn24050]

The one that impressed most is one part called the flight deck experiance where you are on a simulated carrier flight deck. The most impressive bit being the smell of burnt jet fuel after a "take off"

I know the museum well. I used to work in Gazelle House on the other side of the road from the FAA Museum for a number of years.

[Kitbag]

West Lake, check PM please

[west lakes]

Done and replied.

Folks I just rechecked some other photos, the first was of the jet pipe (engine missing) of this airframe: -

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd161/west_lakes/aviation/IMG_0932.jpg

Not as previously stated

[danielsmallwood]

Cool))))):ok:

[evansb]

Identify the aircraft:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/FA_F652021111.jpg

[henry crun]

F-101 Voodoo ?

[Noyade]

Maybe the F-4 Phantom?

[evansb]

Noyade is correct.:ok: The McDonnell RF-4E Phantom II. Your turn.

[Noyade]

Thanks Brian. I too initially thought the Mighty Voodoo. So, we have a new ID thread? :)

Next...

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6972/img007au.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/img007au.jpg/)

[Noyade]

The original photo...

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/4318/img009bt.jpg (http://img846.imageshack.us/i/img009bt.jpg/)

[safetypee]

Lockheed XF-90, or 90A depending on engine fit. Ex XP-90.
46-687 first of two(?) protoypes.

[safetypee]

With a degree of confidence in #59.
Name of the design organisation, or likely manufacturer. Project only, not built.

http://i54.tinypic.com/18zser.jpg

[RegDep]

BAE Systems' Military Air Solutions wind tunnel.

[safetypee]

RegDep, quite likely (btw where is that tunnel located); however who was using it.

[RegDep]

Warton, Lancashire? No idea yet which project that was.

A wild guess: EADS Alenia.

[safetypee]

Not EADS Alenia, but a flavouring in the mixture.

[evansb]

The 'TurboLiner' ?

[Lightning Mate]

I worked for BAe and confirm that RegDep has identified the tunnel, which is indeed at Warton.

[MReyn24050]

These link support Reg & LM:-
http://www.w823.co.uk/publications/leaflets/1-wtd.pdf
Google Images (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Warton+Wind+Tunnel&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1920&bih=955&tbm=isch&tbnid=jsdPo-AaQLlgxM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sems.qmul.ac.uk/research/researchdetail.php%3Frid%3D282&docid=72lReRcVBL2suM&w=354&h=283&ei=9MVwTqC2Osir8QOBtZzkCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=196&vpy=157&dur=475&hovh=173&hovw=222&tx=140&ty=85&page=1&tbnh=140&tbnw=187&start=0&ndsp=47&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0)

[safetypee]

Sorry not the TurboLiner – incorrect fin shape (not that you can see) and without curved flight deck window panels. Perhaps a little smaller – up to 120 seats, but more likely 70-100.

Ah Warton, ‘tis up north’, but this design organisation, geographically, ranged North and South of that.

MReyn24050, thanks for the link. We have identified the tunnel, but ‘who’ put ‘what’ into it, and why.

[MReyn24050]

The Indian Regional Transport Aircaft the RTA-70 perhaps?

[RegDep]

Not EADS Alenia, but a flavouring in the mixture.

Following this clue which is between esoteric and cryptographic, my next stab is that the project was done by EADS Innovation Works, either for the European Clean Sky project*, or for Ukrainian Antonov or Russian Sukhoi.

Interesting, Mel, I thought the same, but felt that the Indians would trust their own capabilities. Let's see the verdict when it is handed down :8.

Edit: * Like "the Italian aeronautical industry occupying a front-line row through its leadership of Finmeccanica on two technical platforms: Green Regional Aircraft (Alenia Aeronautica with EADS-CASA) and …."

[safetypee]

Sorry, no more progress so far, but in a jumbled way MReyn24050 has consortium member.

[safetypee]

To speed things up, this could have been a stable mate - the earlier jet version.
http://i54.tinypic.com/d8zmq.jpg

and the project which both parties wanted to build but couldn’t afford it.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2nb7jw0.jpg

[spook]

IPTN? The N-250?

[safetypee]

No not IPTN. Many manufacturers had similar ideas, only a few were built.
None of the above made it beyond the wind tunnel, except that parts of the turboprop, full size engine/wing/fuselage junction may have been part of an open rotor noise test.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry, no more progress so far, but in a jumbled way MReyn24050 has consortium member.

Sorry you have lost me. What exactly is jumbled about the Indian Regional Transport RTA-70?

[RegDep]

How about, in a jumbled way, comething else at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL)?

Hindustan Aeronautics has a long history of collaboration with several other international and domestic aerospace agencies such as Airbus, Boeing, Sukhoi Aviation Corporation, Israel Aircraft Industries, RSK MiG, BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce plc, Dassault Aviation, Dornier Flugzeugwerke, the Indian Aeronautical Development Agency and the Indian Space Research Organisation.

[safetypee]

Jumbled … sorry, too cryptic. RTA = = ATR, who were partners with BAe in AIR. Hence the association with the BAe wind tunnel.
The turboprop model was adorned with the AIR logo. AIR had several design studies but never produced any new aircraft.
I suspect that the turboprop was a BAe sop to ATR, but still using the majority of 146/RJ fuselage, wing, and tail, whereas they preferred the twin engine 146/RJ. The best of the bad bunch would have been the twin RJ70 (246?).
BAe had previously conducted open rotor tests with the 146 (Mamba engine near a 146 wing IIRC).
Both BAe and ATR recognised the emerging market for a small regional twinjet, hence the EMB lookalike jet. The favoured AIR variant was also smaller / thinner, again like the EMB designs; but money, ideas, and association ran out before there was any progress.

Open house.

[evansb]

Talk about jumbled! I'm still not clear on the name of the project aircraft. Regardless, here is a tailpipe challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/5684965380_f46f102c21_b1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Talk about jumbled! I'm still not clear on the name of the project aircraft.


I am glad it wasn't only me Bri. :)

Yours is the Ryan FR-1 Fireball I believe.
Mel

[evansb]

You are spot on, as usual, Mel:ok: Your turn.

[sycamore]

One hoped that the pilot didn`t fire up the jet-engine ....!

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri. Here is the next a nice easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/tailpipe.jpg
Mel

[sycamore]

Probably the back-end of a Gnat ,with smoke tubes ?

[RegDep]

Sycamore, you must be thinking something like this Hawker Siddeley Gnat T1 (http://www.aircraftwalkarounds.be/Images/HawkerSiddeleyGnatT1/Gnat-Tailpipe-02.html).

[MReyn24050]

That is the one sycamore. Your turn.

[MReyn24050]

Here is another easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/tailpipe2.jpg

[Spit161]

Hmm.. MiG 19?
If it's correct - open house.

[MReyn24050]

That is the one Jake.:ok: The MiG 19

[evansb]

The next tailpipe:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WHAT_THE_HECK.jpg

[sabredog]

Lockheed F-104 Starfighter?

[Spit161]

I'd also say it is the F104.

[evansb]

sabredog is correct.:ok: The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter. Your control.

[sabredog]

Thank you,Brian.
I hope this challenge meets the criteria for the thread?
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz34.jpg

[sycamore]

Looks like the Republic Thunderscreech ! XF-84H...OH if correct...

[sabredog]

Correct.
Sycamore has requested;
Open House

[Spit161]

I'll play:

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k571/Spit161/A-1.jpg

cheers,
Jake.

[zetec2]

Looks awfully like the intake of the Williams engine in the new build ME 262 ?,afraid open house if correct, PH

[Spit161]

Correct.
As zetec2 said - open house.

cheers,
Jake.

[evansb]

Its dark and dirty in there!...
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/FEE_FIE_FO_FUM.jpg

[spook]

Buccaneer?

[evansb]

spook is correct :ok:. The Blackburn Buccaneer. Your turn, spook.

[spook]

Thank you Sir!

Let's try this one

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo311/spook228/DSC02754resize.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Canadair CL-600-2B16 Challenger perhaps?

[spook]

Spot on!:ok:
YHC

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Spook. Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Tailpipe3.jpg

[Kitbag]

Jumo 004 from Me 262?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry kitbag not a Jumo 004 from Me 262.
Mel

[Noyade]

G'day Mel. Russian?

[Noyade]

Hate to ask Mel, but is that the mouth or the bum end?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme.
It is not Russian and as you put it so delicately it is the "bum end".
Mel

[Lightning Mate]

Mel,

Are those engines pod mounted under the wing or rear fuselage?

[MReyn24050]

Hi David the engine is in the fuselage.

[Noyade]

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3264/img020tb.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/img020tb.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

Not Butterfly tail Graeme. The tailplanes were more horizontal than your sketch.

[Lightning Mate]

The small circular exhaust between the cones might well be an oil fume exhaust, which indicates an early pure turbojet, possibly utilising a total loss oil system.

[MReyn24050]

You may well be correct David as this aircraft was an early example of an aircraft powered by jet propulsion.

[SincoTC]

Hi Mel,

Is it the Caproni-Campini CC-2 N.1 ??

Open House please if correct, as I'm busy this afternoon.

[MReyn24050]

You are of course correct Trevor. :ok:
The Caproni Campini N1
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Caproni_foto-1.jpg
As designed by Campini, the aircraft did not have a jet engine in the sense that we know them today. Rather, a conventional 700 kW (940 hp) Isotta Fraschini L. 121/R.C. 40 piston engine was used to drive a compressor, which forced air into a combustion chamber where it was mixed with fuel and ignited. The exhaust produced by this combustion was to drive the aircraft forward. Campini called this configuration a "thermojet," but the term "motorjet" is in common usage today for this arrangement since thermojet is now used to refer to a particular type of pulsejet (an unrelated form of jet engine). It has also been described as a ducted fan.

As Trevor says Open House

[Lightning Mate]

I think I might have a go.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/pipe.jpg

[Spit161]

Is it the Japanese flying bomb, the Ohka?
Open house if correct.

cheers,
Jake.

[Lightning Mate]

Nicely done Spit.

It is indeed the Ohka 22. :D

The thermojet version as opposed to the 3-rocket version.

Couldn't resist after Mels' quote above!!!

Spit has requested Open House.

[Noyade]

Butterfly tail, what was I thinking?! :(

"See-through" one...

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4431/img023oe.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/img023oe.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Wossa '105' bit?

[MReyn24050]

Drogue parachute perhaps, David.

[Noyade]

105...."Parachute door conical fairing"

[MReyn24050]

Dassault Balzac perhaps?

[Noyade]

You are a very clever man Mel.

109 was the port "Yaw control nozzle".

Yaw control Mel! :)

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Graeme.
It was items 108 & 109 that led me too it. At first I thought Item 109 was possibly a tail wheel of some kind but the only jet aircraft to have that was the Supermarine Attacker and this was not the Attacker. So it must have been a jet efflux to give control to a VTOL aircraft, which led me to the Dassault Balzac.
Here is the next one:-

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Tailpipe4.jpg

[Noyade]

Mel is that showing the vertical fin base ending at the very edge of the fuselage?

[MReyn24050]

Graeme.
That is correct.

[Noyade]

Thanks, I feel a sketch coming on! :)

[Kitbag]

Spey in an AMX?

[MReyn24050]

The engine is not a Spey.

[skytrain10]

Do I see the horizontal stabilisers in about a 4 and 8 o'clock position? Russian possibly, an early Sukhoi Su-7?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Ken. Yes the horizontal stabilisers are at about a 4 and 8 o'clock position but it is not Russian.

[skytrain10]

Not getting anywhere fast on this one Mel....there is some similarity with the prototype F9F-9 Tiger - tailplane/stabilisers in the right position. On that subject then, would this be American?

[MReyn24050]

Ken. It is American but not the prototype F9F-9 Tiger.

[skytrain10]

I keep looking at the YF-8 and YA-7F Crusader/Corsair. The tailpipe and horizontal surfaces are about right, but not the tail itself :ugh:.
Are we looking at a fighter/attack prototype?

[MReyn24050]

Ken. You are on the right road. It is in fact the tailpipe of a Vought A7E CorsairII at the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, Florida.The aircraft below is an A7D.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/CorsairA7.jpg
You have control.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Mel - somewhat surprised! Looked at the YA-7, the A-7A,B and D. Didn't look at the E - its got that little extension to the tailplane that ends at the exhaust outlet which the others don't have!

Don't have anything to offer at present, so make it Open House

[evansb]

Here is a couple of tail-pipes:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WOULD_YOU_LOOK_AT_THAT.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Brian.
Eureka! Finally, something I recognise, well, I hope so...the Ikarus Type 452?...

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8290/img026b.jpg (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/img026b.jpg/)

[evansb]

Yes, Noyade is correct:ok: The Yugoslavian IKARUS 452. Your turn.

[Noyade]

Thanks Brian.

Moving on....

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8549/555puy.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/555puy.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Dassault Mystere IVN?

[Noyade]

Heading off to work Ken. Not the Mystere. I tried to be clever. Turn it upside down...

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4545/img027xs.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/img027xs.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Myasishchev M-50 :confused:

[MReyn24050]

Sud-Ouest SO 9050 Trident II perhaps?

[Noyade]

It is Mel. :ok:

Your control.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/13/img031o.jpg (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/img031o.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme. Here is a nice easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Tailpipe5.jpg

[Noyade]

Here is a nice easy one:-G'day Mel. I think our definitions of "easy" vary greatly! :)

First thought was that "thingy" at 6 o'clock was the front end of an arrester hook, say the Dassault Etendard, but I don't think it should be so close to the exhaust lip?
Second thought is the thingy is the break parachute fairing on possibly, the Repuplic Thunderstreak?

Question 1. Trying to education myself on anal aviation - if the tail-pipe doesn't have, as cutaways call them, a variable exhaust nozzle, then can I assume it doesn't have an afterburner?

Question 2. What gets more success when googling for these images...tail pipe, jet pipe, exhaust, jet exhaust, engine exhaust, exhaust nozzle,...etc...? I'm not having a whole lot of luck.

[skytrain10]

Is this a tail mounted jet? Something like the Piper PA-47 PiperJet?

[Noyade]

Piper PA-47 PiperJet

Wow! Never seen that before.

Ken, is there a Plane-spotters graveyard anywhere? Where I can go and die?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry chaps did not think it would be difficult, I thought it would be easy like the latest Avia Quiz :rolleyes:.
To answer your questions:-
Q.1 It does not have an afterburner.
Q.2 Possibly engine exhaust but it really depends as the quiz image may be taken from a general view of the aircraft during a walk around.

It is not a tail mounted jet such as the Piper PA-47 Piperjet.

This might help:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Tailpipe5a.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Early low bypass turbofan with clamshell reverser mechanism underneath?

[MReyn24050]

David. It certainly is an early turbofan engine with clamshell thrust reverser.

[RegDep]

Soloviev D-30

In an Ilyushin Il-76?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Reg. Not the Soloviev D-30 in an Ilyushin Il-76.

[Noyade]

Quick stabs...

Lockheed Starlifter?

[MReyn24050]

A good stab Graeme. It is the Lockheed C141 Starlifter.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/c-141b_07_of_50.jpg

You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/5449/29638397.jpg (http://img855.imageshack.us/i/29638397.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Sod it!

I've been in class and wish I hadn't posted at #155.:\

[Noyade]

posted at #155

Don't worry mate...it didn't help me. Just kept turning pages till I found a "podded" aircraft, no, make that plane. :)

[Noyade]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8071/ytrrewwq.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/ytrrewwq.jpg/)

[Noyade]

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/705/newquiz.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/newquiz.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Rockets or jet exhaust?

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

I think that may be a Pratt and Whitney JT4A diffuser/silencer for the early Boeing 707-200 and 320 series ?? Later superceded by the simpler sheet metal "Daisy Petal" type!

Not much time to spare today, so OH if correct please as I'm off to dog duties now and not sure when I will be back.

[spook]

That's outrageous!!...on both counts. 1, what were they thinking! 2, Sinco, how on earth did you know/find this? Respect!

[SincoTC]

Thanks spook, but I'm not so sure it's correct, just following up whilst getting something to eat!

I thought it was this Google Images (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=pratt+and+whitney+jt4a+boeing+707-200+and+320+series&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enGB366GB367&tbm=isch&tbnid=TfuDjoRkH1JUQM:&imgrefurl=http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D195761&docid=r_aE4U19lMHzqM&w=640&h=480&ei=pGyDTuOmNcPG8QOXrfUJ&zoom=1&biw=1024&bih=456&iact=rc&dur=156&page=3&tbnh=105&tbnw=140&start=16&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:16&tx=-268&ty=-41)

but there's not enough tubes!! Gotta go again, may have another look later :)

[Noyade]

but I'm not so sure it's correctIt is! :ok: Boeing 707 is all I wanted....

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8117/img005ui.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/img005ui.jpg/)

Trevor has declared open house.

[Lightning Mate]

Much easier than the last one!

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossis-3.jpg

[RegDep]

Looks pretty asymmetric, Mate. Or axisymmetric, rather.

Like GE YF120 nozzle.

[Lightning Mate]

Yes - an alternative proposal for the JSF35.

All yours Reg. :ok:

[RegDep]

Thanks Mate!

Next

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/nozzle-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Do I see variable thrust delector plates or IR concealment ramps?

[RegDep]

You see the former. Whether or not they work as the latter, too, I am not sure.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/nozzle-2.jpg

I believe they have IR concealment function, too.

[skytrain10]

Hi Reg...is it the F-22 Raptor?

[Ridge Runner]

Like this , Ken???

http://www.fromthelens.co.uk/store/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/DSC_5790blog1.jpg (http://www.fromthelens.co.uk/store/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/DSC_5790blog1.jpg)

I don't think so ....... Edit: :O I think it might be! RR

[RegDep]

Atrnoon Gentlemen, sorry for delay, did my grocery round.

Yes, it is the F-22 Raptor as suggested by Skytrain.

Over to you :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Reg. Will have to be Open House.

[evansb]

Here is a mystery tail pipe plus..
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/LOTSA_CLUES_EH.jpg

[RegDep]

Hawker prototype P.1040 with Armstrong Siddeley Snarler rocket motor in the tail

[evansb]

Well yes, it is a Hawker with the Snarler rocket motor. I'm waiting for the specific aircraft model number..

[Noyade]

Then maybe the P.1072...?

Hawker P.1072 - (http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/hawker_p-1072.php)

[RegDep]

D - - - - d, of course it is.

But that was not the end for the first prototype P.1040 (VP401), as in September 1949 it was refitted to house a Armstrong Siddeley Snarler rocket motor in the tail powered by a mix of liquid oxygen and water-methanol making a thrust of 2,000 lb

The first flight being on the 20/11/1950 using the "Snarler" rocket motor, the aircraft made only six flights under the power of the rocket engine, on the last flight there was a small explosion, which caused some minor damage, this was repaired, but VP401 never took to the air again.

But then I missed the picture caption….. :suspect:

[evansb]

Good try gents. It is the Hawker P.1072. Noyade has control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/P10721.jpg

[Noyade]

Thanks Brian. Sorry for the delay. Here goes...

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9696/dunnoh.jpg (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/dunnoh.jpg/)

[Noyade]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6867/lovelysundaymorning.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/lovelysundaymorning.jpg/)

[sycamore]

SAAB J-29..?

[Noyade]

No mate.....

[Noyade]

Tell you what mate, I'll even toss in a front view...:)...

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3774/img051v.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/img051v.jpg/)

[Kitbag]

Crusader with J57

Obviously not once you put the drawing up, so how 'bout Nord Griffon?

[Noyade]

Crusader with J57

No mate.....

[Kitbag]

Just to get the chronology right

Nord Griffon II

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Nord_1500_Griffon_II.JPG/300px-Nord_1500_Griffon_II.JPG

[Noyade]

The Griffon it is! :ok:

Your control Kitbag. :)

[Kitbag]

Sadly I have enough trouble with the front of airplanes so OH

[Lightning Mate]

Nuvver wun....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/sunpipe.jpg

[sabredog]

Saab AJSH 37 Viggen ?

[RegDep]

Wow, sabredog!

[Lightning Mate]

Nicely done sabredog.

All yours. :ok:

[sabredog]

Thank you,LM.
I am sorry to say it is;
Open House.

[Noyade]

Here's another...

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6468/verysmall.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/verysmall.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Evening mate.

A Maverick?

[Noyade]

A Maverick? Morning mate.

The missile? No.

Maybe the image is too small and grainy? Try this then....

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4047/img044aq.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/img044aq.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

I didn't mean the missile mate - the aeroplane.

[RegDep]

Is that a Turbomeca, Graeme?

[Noyade]

I didn't mean the missile mate - the aeroplane.

Sorry mate, never heard of it before...

The Minijets Website: Minijets Website - English Version (http://www.minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=1&no_cache=1&L=3&tx_ttnews%5Bpointer%5D=1&cHash=10296dbcd3)

No, not the Maverick Twin Jet 1500...but yeah, it does look similar!

[Noyade]

Is that a TurbomecaMorning Reg.

No.

(Morning or afternoon in Europe?)

[RegDep]

If the engine is very small, it could even be "Chichester-Miles Consultants" Leopard….

Afternoon, Graeme.

[Noyade]

Over 4 tons of thrust...

[RegDep]

Whoaaa, I was in one order of magnitude too small ones…..

[Noyade]

but yeah, it does look similar! I was in one order of magnitude too small ones….. Sorry Reg, did I confuse you? I meant "similar" only in that my image does look like the Maverick's tailpipe...

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8861/28330233.jpg (http://img585.imageshack.us/i/28330233.jpg/)

[RegDep]

No, you did not confuse me. I was looking at Mini-jets, anyways, because I thought we were around or below 500 kp……

Looking at Bombardiers now. Should I?

[Noyade]

Should I?

No.

Ten minutes till midnight. Want a clue that will clinch it, or will I leave it with you...?

[skytrain10]

Northrop A-9A?

[Noyade]

...Then outta the blue screams Ken. Perfect timing as always Ken.

Your control mate. :ok:

Goodnight.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2467/img054nb.jpg (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/img054nb.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Cheers Graeme:ok:...not too many aircraft with that type of engine mounted in close proximity to the wing like that.

Have to be Open House as will be hitting the road soon.

[Lightning Mate]

The Lightning had one above the other too....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/two.jpg

[RegDep]

Interesting: Giggle says "Best guess for this picture is DFS 346" (Samolyot 346), although it does not find any pictures of the pipes……

Ach, now I found it: "A rare backview of the DFS 346".

[Lightning Mate]

You're getting too fast in your old age mate!

However, I knew it would be easy to Giggle with the right words.

Over to you. :ok:

[RegDep]

Thank you Mate!

This

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-10-03um165306.png

[Lightning Mate]

mmmm... do I see twin fuselage strakes?

[Ridge Runner]

It looks like an early F-104 but the strakes aren't right. RR

[RegDep]

It may look like an early F-104, it has fuselage strakes, and, in fact the whole tail is not F-104.

[Spit161]

F-86 Sabre?

[Ridge Runner]

Is it a wing-mounted podded engine?

[RegDep]

Not Sabre and not wing-mounted.

Sabre is kind of close but via a very long detour. Beware of getting misled!

[skytrain10]

I was thinking Fiat G.91 but that doesn't fit with the clues?

[Ridge Runner]

The Fury, mate? It certainly had similar strakes

[RegDep]

Well, let's put it this way. This challenge has strakes, but your thought process would be better off if you started with no strakes.

It is not the Fury nor Fiat.

[Ridge Runner]

MIG-15 ?????????

Edit: No, MIG-17. If so, then it will have to be OPEN HOUSE

[RegDep]

Well, what should I say?

Neither is technically correct, but one would be acceptable if you explain the strekes (now they step in into your process :cool:).

[Ridge Runner]

Its the lack of airbrakes that stumped me! Maybe a Polish or Czech variant? Or even Chinese?

Must go.......

[RegDep]

Anyone else, or shall I call it?

OK. Very good. Lack of air brakes is true, and for a very good reason.

This is Mikoyan KS-1 (Nato AS-1 Kennel) cruising missile, which is built on the Mig-15 fuselage. Hence strekes and no speed brakes.

Very many close encounters between Mig-15 and F-86 Sabre years back, they tell me.

Open House.

[Spit161]

Never mind, the answer has already been posted!

[RegDep]

Sorry Spit161, saw your light on but….

Please pick up the open house!

Reg

[Spit161]

Here we go:

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k571/Spit161/stolp-1.jpg

I couldn't find one of the engine on the a/c, but if you need the help, I'll try and dig one up!

cheers,
Jake.

[RegDep]

That would probably render it Japanese…..

Or a BMW…..

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-10-03um193523.png

[Spit161]

Correct, Reg. It is the BMW 003. Before I hand over control, I'd like the aircraft type;)

cheers,
Jake.

[RegDep]

Me-262-V1 . . . .

If not that, it could be one certain Messerschmitt Bf 110, but there are pictures of it AFAIR.

[Spit161]

Nope, it was neither of those types actually, but you are in the right ball park.

[RegDep]

Ahem.

Heinkel He-178

Mig-9 (two captured BMW 003 engines)

Ishikawajima Ne-20 (engines built using BMW plans)

[Kitbag]

4 engined Arado 234C, or given the shape of the intake more likely He 162

[Spit161]

Kitbag is correct - it's the He162.
However, as RegDep was the first to answer - Reg has control.

cheers,
Jake.

[RegDep]

Thanks Spit161.

In the interest of the nigh shift, Open House, as I am not able to monitor it in the next 10 hours.

[Lightning Mate]

Early bird & worm......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/tues-1.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day mate.

The port turboprop exhaust pipe on the Tu-95/142 Bear?...

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4939/img055o.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/img055o.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Evening Graeme.

The Bear it is.

All yours. :ok:

[Noyade]

Morning David. Thanks. Here's another one...

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/835/croppitycrop.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/i/croppitycrop.jpg/)

[sycamore]

B-52 POD..?