List of top salary for ATCO??

[FinalVectors]

Hi!
I been looking around on the forum, and there are a lot of threads about our money ;) ....but not been able to find any thread wich collect that all together....what are we getting paid around the world? So I hope U all can help making a list of the top ATCO and SUP. salaries around the world.

(And try too keep the list easy and simple...without too much extra writing...like this : ) :}

Norway:
ATCO max. : 101.000 EUR = 129.000 USD
SUP max. : 106.000 EUR = 136.000 USD

[Dr. Evil]

Abu Dhabi TWR/APP, United Arab Emirates

Serco contract excluding pension and schooling but including housing allowance. Cannot give you a maximum since the annual basic salary increase is 3-5%

It comes to roughly 80.000 USD the first year (tax free) for an ATCO without any endorsements or further responsibilities.

[spekesoftly]

Recent NATS advert for Trainee ATCOs in The Times:-

Potential earnings Nationwide (UK) up to €125,366 (EUR) = $161,202 (USD)

[Red Dragon]

Surely if we are going to compare salaries across the board they should be after tax, if you pay any. Post tax salaries would then only have to take local cost of living into account.
I think Dr Evil's quote of 80,000USD is a little mis-leading. It includes accommodation allowance, all of which goes towards either paying rent or a mortgage, and so you wouldn't see any of it in your pay packet as such.
I believe more realistically it's more like 51,000USD (ish) as a base salary plus your allowances. Top salaries for supervisors would be somewhere in the order of 65-70,000USD.
Those allowances like accommodation, schooling, health insurance etc are just essential for living in this part of the world. Most schooling would be free in home countries so if you don't have property back home your saving on not having to pay for accommodation costs.
The nature of how the salary and allowances are packaged differs from unit to unit.

[Dr. Evil]

With such a great pay deal I wonder why Serco are always advertising then?

Now I've got more cash in my hands than I used to back home! As Red Dragon is saying is true, you cannot compare so easily between countries. I just know that my living standard is higher in the UAE than my home country. And that's probably why many wants to come here, even with Serco around :rolleyes:

I think Dr Evil's quote of 80,000USD is a little mis-leading. It includes accommodation allowance, all of which goes towards either paying rent or a mortgage, and so you wouldn't see any of it in your pay packet as such.

Just like back home right? You can by a tent in Ace Hardware and move out to Rub Al Khali or buy property or rent or share or whatever :hmm: Its your call. But I would say after the housing allowance is deducted its more likely to be around 60.000$ in your hands in Abu Dhabi.

[No Further Requirements]

Apply the Big Mac Rule to see who is really the winner!
Divide your total after-tax income by the cost of a Big Mac in your country of employment. Let's see who's got the most Macs!
Mine this year was AUD$67,288 after tax. I am on level 6 of 14.
Cost of Big Mac in Australia - AUD$3.20
This works out at 21,027.5 Big Macs.
Lets go team, Mac away!
Cheers,
NFR.

[AirNoServicesAustralia]

UAE area is 33,000 dh's a month tax free. Out of that if you are a single guy you are paying about 5,000 a month for accomodation and say another 3,000 for medical insurance, utilities (power,water etc.) which are things in the normal world you pay out of after tax dollars. But lets just deduct those things and see whats left. About 25,000 dh's beer and food money per month. That is 6,800 US dollars a month after tax and after major living expenses. $81,600 US a year after tax, after rent, after medical insurance, after electricity bill paid, and after water bill and phone rental paid.

Big mac rule here would be 10 dh's per Big Mac (may be 9 dh's not sure) so 30,000 Big Macs. Cheers.:ok:

[Jerricho]

Big Macs?

How the hell you lot going to pass your medicals? ;)

[Red Dragon]

With over a million posts you could probably do with the exercise yourself Jerricho!!
:ok:

[AirNoServicesAustralia]

Well to be honest not a Big Mac man myself. Maybe it should be the Heineken index. In that case it would be about 25,000 heinekens in Abu Dhabi. Either way you would have to actually die in the doctors office to not get a medical at a certain Dr Deaths office in Abu Dhabi, which is a good thing.

[choclit runway]

I think we should use the big mac index in the Middle-east. With the cost of Heiniken it sounds better............... Like dollars against the euro I 'spose.

[choclit runway]

Whooa... 210000 UAE Dhs a year at 9 dhs per Big Mac.... 23333.3 a year... Big Big-maccer. 65 a Day.... Does that make us the official fatcats if the ATC world?:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

[ATCO2]

Dear all,

Who can tell me where there are vacancies for the ATCOs or similler jobs (ARO,OPS) in these well paid places. I am an ATCO but I am ready to work as an ARO officer as well.

Your response will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

ATCO2

[makeapullup]

http://www.linside.nl/afbeeldingen/big%20mac.jpg
Not your average size big mac!
In South Africa the 12 year salary scale (top) is R414 000 (excluding station allowance) Highest station allowance (JNB App/Acc) 12 x R7800 = R93600.
Tax on this about 33 percent (average tax - taking into account different tax rates for different parts of salary.)
Therefore R414 000 + R93 600 = R507 600 - R167 508 (tax) = R340 092
Big Mac part is harder, I would guess around R13.95.
Therefore we can scoff 24 379.35 burgers a year!
Cheers:cool:

[atcSA]

yummy....that looks LEKKER!!:}

[yellowplane]

yummy....that looks LEKKER!!:}
would prefer a large braai pack!

[AirNoServicesAustralia]

Makeapullup, then if you are only getting 24,000 big macs in Joburg, you should certainly be out here in the Sand pit. Not only will you get a job ahead of all the Europoeans who can't get an answer from the powers that be, but give it 6 months here and you will have one of the high paying LEKKER jobs, cos you're a fellow "OAK".:ok:

[makeapullup]

Hey ANSA, sounds KIFF
Also remember my burgers must still be shared with Rent,Services,car ,schooling etc so only left with about 40% after. (Refer previous post about deductions in UAE)
One thing, I can at least enjoy my burgers outside! (Granted provided i'm in a boomed off armed complex!)
Cheers:) :)

[AirNoServicesAustralia]

We can enjoy our burgers outside. Its a hot and sweaty task right at this moment, but most of the year, it is perfect burger and beer weather for outside. You haven't lived till you have spent a pleasant evening sitting outside having a few beers and some pub grub at either Captains Arms here in Abu Dhabi or Irish Village in Dubai. But what am I doing I shouldn't be encouraging you to come here otherwise we will never bring down the Serco Mafia we have here right now. Bugger off and Stay Away please!!!!

[throw a dyce]

I think Hong Kong is still about top dollar.Certainly was when I was there,but the HK gov cut it back.25% gratuity was a real:eek: when I got it.Don't know how many Big Macs that is,cos I bought Sausage MacMuffins.It's a hell of a lot of Freebie Snoopy Dolls{Free with a meal promotion}.;)

[pikman]

Interesting article in UK daily mail 24/08/06 comparing salaries of various proffessions in the UK. ATCOs came in 18th although I would think that most NATS ATCOs and many non state are well above the average that they quote.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/08/salarygraphic1_673x540.jpg

[gconatyuk]

I see what theyve done. It appears as though theyve listed the salary as that of a recently validated ATCO and the salary of a pilot as that of a captain. I know a few flight officers for various airlines who earn no where near the amount listed in that scale.

[pikman]

No you've missed the point. The earnings figures are averages. Therfore it is a balance between newly qualified ATPL flying twotters or sheds etc earning a pittance and BA senior captains earning squillions. Similarly, as I know from personal experience, the average between a non state TWR ATCO earning maybe 18-20k and a NATS en-route WM earning more in the region of 80k. Some winners, some losers but 18th from 300 professions given the relatively modest entry quals isn't all that bad. I never even finished my A levels, but am earning 5 times what I earnt in the RAF as an assistant with a few scale points still to come. One of my best friends however completed a degree, qualified as an accountant and earns 25k less than me whilst having to live in the south of England.
Happy days!

[eyeinthesky]

NATS ATCO 1 at Band 5 unit +/- £90k including shift pay. All this before tax. Watch Supervisors the same, with the addition of a car allowance or company car.

[Courtenay]

Am I right in saying that ATCO 2 is the normal scale for an ATC, be it Area or Approach, Band 1 or 5? What moves you to ATCO 1, and is there much difference in pay?

Cheers,

James.

[Shitsu_Tonka]

Australia around $130K AUD = $96000 USD

Basic Tax = $43K AUD

Net Earnings = $87K AUD = $64K USD

What is the HKG Top Salary?

What is the Eurocontrol Top Salary?

[eastern wiseguy]

Am I right in saying that ATCO 2 is the normal scale for an ATC, be it Area or Approach, Band 1 or 5?

Cheers,

James


No you are incorrect...but I am not going to reopen that can of worms thank you:mad: :mad:

[AirNoServicesAustralia]

I know you didn't ask about this part of the world but for anyone interested in the UAE ACC, the tax free annual salary is on todays exchange rate $144,000 Ozzie = $107,800 USD. Yes you will pay about $20,000 USD of that out to rent a 3 bedroom flat or about $30,000 plus to rent a villa, but still very good money compared to Oz.

(and I am guessing ****su Tonka when you say basic tax that is Income tax only and doesn't include GST, medicare levies, stamp duty, state sales tax on fuel, cigarettes and grog etc etc. Typing that reminds me why I left)

[Spuds McKenzie]

Basic Tax = $43K AUD

OUCH!! :ouch:

[The Euronator]

****su_Tonka,

Very rough figures ( old figures ) but there are many allowances that are automatically paid as a Eurocontrol Salary. It comes down to your personal circumstances eg. Married / Married plus kids / Dutch National or Non Dutch National etc.

But here goes. Lets say you are 10 years checked out/ Non Dutch National/ Married + 1 Child..Note : This is a Net figure ( wouldn't have a clue what is paid in tax..everything is quoted in net salaries )

Monthly Salary = 8000 - 8500 Euro ..( This includes the above allowances plus also shift allowance ( average is around 900 -1000 Euro),( Supervisors will be around 9500 - 10000 Euro).

Eurocontrol will shortly go to a composite salary which will enhance this total.

Yearly Total ( on 8000 p.m ) = 96,000 Euro after tax , 120,468 $U.S after tax & 161,765 $A after tax

[Shitsu_Tonka]

Euronator

If Eurocontrol held a one day recruitment day in Brisbane or Melbourne, I reckon they would get hundreds of applications.

[LapSap]

Some HK numbers for you based on this morning's exchange rate (AUD=5.79 HKD). Taken a bit of a beating over the last 4 years with 3 pay cuts. :mad:

Most expats on top of ATCO II : Salary AUD156,000 p.a. + Accomm Allow AUD48,000 p.a + 25% Gratuity every 3 years approx AUD117,000.

Top tax rate is 20% with max overall = 16% flat. Accom allow taxed slightly differently. Normal tax bill with spouse rebate is about AUD30,000 p.a. with gratuity spread over 3 years.

[Shitsu_Tonka]

LapSap - drop me an email / PM

[clr4takeoff]

how do I apply for HK ?:E

[steve_atc]

i saw a Serco advert about 3 months ago for UAE TWR/APP rated 5-6 years experience offering £100,000 GBP tax free with housing on top of that....can anyone back this up?

[throw a dyce]

clr4takeoff,
HK are not taking expats at the moment.They have a localisation policy so are taking on lots of Chinese kids.Might change sometime but depends if the CAD can convince the Civil Service that there is a need to hire expats.You'll no doubt hear it here first.;)

[riche149]

Anyone working at eurocontrol that can tell me how much of the salaray that will go away in tax? Not working at eurocontrol is also ok :rolleyes:

[anotherthing]

Steve Atc

I know of a couple of people of to UAE. £70k tax free, House and maid, 5(?) flights to UK per year. £100k may be correct or certainly in the right ballpark.

However......

No Pension, You do not own the house, No medical cover unless you pay etc etc.......

So it has its good and bad points :)

[The Euronator]

riche149,

The salaries I quoted are after tax has been taken out...there is no way you can avoid this even if you are a Dutch National..there are no deductions ( as far as I am aware ) that you can make to reduce your tax thereby increasing your pre-tax income.

One other thing I forgot to mention is that out of your salary you have deducted a sickness insurance premium ( I took this into account when listing the salary ) which covers 80% minimum of medical bills ( in the case of hospital 100%) & also you will be covered for up to 10,000 Euro per child for Educational expenses. Additionally you will be paid to return to your point of recruitment via 1st Class Train fare or Business Class Airfares ( once per year ).

To the person that email me..can you PM me please as it was accidentally deleted.

[OTBD_APP]

Hello ,

Does anyone know the payscale at Doha , Qatar ?

Thank's a lot!

Doha Radar

[Canoehead]

Top scale in most Canadian Centers is around US $100,000 per year. Many of us work overtime, which can easily bring you to US$150,000. We get taxed between 35% to 48% depending on where you live. We don't eat Big Macs. I have many, many empties in my garage. :) :)

[Zandr]

In Ukraine (Simferopol ACC) we have
ONLY

ATCO max. : 10.000 EUR = 12.000 USD

IN A YEAR!:sad:

[clr4takeoff]

Thanks god, I'm not planning to work in Ukrain...
I don't know how much is a house though... hopefully it's not 250 000 $

[TC_Ukraine]

In Ukraine (Simferopol ACC) we have ONLY
ATCO max. : 10.000 EUR = 12.000 USD
IN A YEAR!
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....and still after 2 years. inspite of 40% growing intensity and air-navigational charges increasing.