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BACsuperVC10 27th January 2023 09:26


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11374838)
Of course there is. They can make more money deploying there resources elsewhere.

They are flying to Turkey much more this year, however Amsterdam has always been in the top ten routes, i'd be surprised if that has changed.

SWBKCB 27th January 2023 09:30


Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10 (Post 11374879)
I am not sure how you think 1 per day is a good service , when 3 per day is the norm, it does not serve the city well enough. ( pre covid 237,867 flew the route ). I will ignore your snide comment, I am a passenger therefore I have an opinion.

It's obviously a service which meets the demand. If there were enough people flying at an appropriate rate, there would be three services a day.

It's a two way thing - enough people need to pay to fly for the airline to afford to operate the service. Airlines don't walk away from services because they are making too much money. The city needs to serve the airline

BACsuperVC10 27th January 2023 10:07


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11374887)
It's obviously a service which meets the demand. If there were enough people flying at an appropriate rate, there would be three services a day.

It's a two way thing - enough people need to pay to fly for the airline to afford to operate the service. Airlines don't walk away from services because they are making too much money. The city needs to serve the airline

and enough do fly and pay the appropriate rate, it hasnt changed that much in 26 years. I think its best to agree to disagree on this one.

BHX5DME 27th January 2023 10:20


Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10 (Post 11374912)
and enough do fly and pay the appropriate rate, it hasnt changed that much in 26 years. I think its best to agree to disagree on this one.

Flybe loads from BHX have really picked up with many flights 60-75 pax

mart901 27th January 2023 10:55


Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10 (Post 11374883)
They are flying to Turkey much more this year, however Amsterdam has always been in the top ten routes, i'd be surprised if that has changed.

AMS has had months of negative press in relation to queues, delays, baggage handling. I shouldn't think this is driving passengers up.

True Blue 27th January 2023 13:08

Ams is not the only route that has been severely reduced. Bfs has also been severely reduced. It is not that long ago that a Saturday would see maybe 5 flights a day, this winter it is 1. Weekdays also reduced, with first flights not until late morning. I struggle to understand why such a large change so quickly.

ajamieson 27th January 2023 14:37


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11374307)
Anyone know how the loads are?

LHR-NQY 29DEC 13
MAN-NQY 02JAN 55
NQY-LHR 02JAN 53

Newquay - Heathrow seems to be operating a lot more reliably than under Flybe Mk 1, though I can't speak to whether it is actually making any money. Fares are teensy bit more competitive, too. Very useful indeed while GWR is up the spout.

Skipness One Foxtrot 27th January 2023 14:46


Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 11375029)
Ams is not the only route that has been severely reduced. Bfs has also been severely reduced. It is not that long ago that a Saturday would see maybe 5 flights a day, this winter it is 1. Weekdays also reduced, with first flights not until late morning. I struggle to understand why such a large change so quickly.

Relatively low wealth area in a cost of living crisis where discretuionary spend takes a massive hit, people cancelling winter extra jollies hoping to make it away in summer at best.

OltonPete 27th January 2023 15:18

AMS/Flybe
 

Originally Posted by mart901 (Post 11374942)
AMS has had months of negative press in relation to queues, delays, baggage handling. I shouldn't think this is driving passengers up.

Sorry if the hyper-link doesn't open below but paste it into your browser and it should work and it is noticeable the amount of across the board cuts at Amsterdam this winter to the UK at least and I assume this article is still valid.

Logically winter seems to be bearing the brunt but I can only comment specifically on BHX where easyjet were packing out BHX - AMS twice daily in summer and in winter it is between 4 and 6 per week. Naturally yields slump in winter but not to make such drastic cuts and KLM have dropped from 5 daily to 3 daily until mid February (4 daily in winter usually) with load factors this November 91% (generally November was average) which is more akin to a loco route. Note easyjet have 2 aircraft on the ground Amsterdam today for over 24 hours and that is on a winter Friday, so not operating elsewhere!!

The only operator unaffected is Flybe with the service remaining daily but again I am sure if they could get the slots that would increase. Flybe have also been helped on Glasgow and Edinburgh by easyjet with some frequency reductions such as no flights to Glasgow on a Thursday (changes soon) which was one of the busiest business days at BHX in winter, albeit pre COVID and things have changed. Edinburgh some days is just daily with that flight departing 21.30 whereas Flybe offer 2 daily.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/amst...en-flight-cap/

Pete

mart901 27th January 2023 16:32


Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 11375029)
Ams is not the only route that has been severely reduced. Bfs has also been severely reduced. It is not that long ago that a Saturday would see maybe 5 flights a day, this winter it is 1. Weekdays also reduced, with first flights not until late morning. I struggle to understand why such a large change so quickly.

Things have changed a bit, the loads split with BHD (I know that doesn't equate to 5 flights), in particular on weekdays zoom has replaced a lot of business travel and LPL has a catchment area that overlaps with MAN, always has and easyJet compete with themselves in that regard now, EIR, BE and soon FR too - there's really only room for so many carrier's. There's a long history of Northern Ireland travelers using LPL as a cheaper alternative, something has to give.

BACsuperVC10 27th January 2023 17:12


Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 11375029)
Ams is not the only route that has been severely reduced. Bfs has also been severely reduced. It is not that long ago that a Saturday would see maybe 5 flights a day, this winter it is 1. Weekdays also reduced, with first flights not until late morning. I struggle to understand why such a large change so quickly.

Looking at Feb the frequency starts to build up to 3 ,4 , 5 or 6 per day in the week to BFS , and 1 per day to BHD

Jamie2009 27th January 2023 22:36

Gone bust….. sad sad sad

Just Plane Mad 27th January 2023 22:55

Source ?

ETOPS 27th January 2023 23:00

True - just been shown the CEO letter.

Very sad for all concerned

cavokblues 27th January 2023 23:00

I think Jamie works for them.

Their website is also down?

Atlantic Explorer 27th January 2023 23:28


Originally Posted by Just Plane Mad (Post 11375400)
Source ?


Originally Posted by ETOPS (Post 11375402)
True - just been shown the CEO letter.

Very sad for all concerned

Not hugely surprising given recent history. Shame for the employees but again, one hopes they signed up with their eyes open to the situation.

I think once again this can be pinned on horrendous management decisions and poor direction and leadership. Some of their decisions were bordering on lunacy at times. Very strange set up.

Rivet Joint 28th January 2023 01:27

No surprise at all if true. Imagine putting the majority of your limited money and resources at BHD where one of the few other direct competitors is already building a base with the backing of a large well known brand. Anything left can be focused on the likes of EMA whilst ignoring old BEs main bases in SOU, BHX and EXT. Did they not learn anything from that fateful skirmish in the highlands going after another well established brand?

davidjohnson6 28th January 2023 02:09

Confirmed on flybe website home page

Alteagod 28th January 2023 03:09

Oh dear. I'm sure other carriers will fill the void. Let's not forget the impact on job losses in the air and on the ground. Its not all about airplanes

LTNman 28th January 2023 05:36

Flybe: Regional carrier ceases trading and cancels all flights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64436500


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