I note that Blackpool have still not reported the March passenger figures to the CAA.

Are they that bad ..... OR ..... could it be there no one left at the airport to submit the figures!

complete cover up and smoke screen. there must be a back up of the thread somewhere.

you should be more careful

That seems a harsh statement considering you have never posted on the Blackpool thread. Perhaps you know something that others don't.

HAWK
 

I seem to recall you were quite pally with Dave 'I sign the cheques' during his
tenure. Surely that's not the case with the present incumbent and, your spring clean was indeed an honest tidy-up rather than a response to a polite request to (oops,sorry) remove some of the nerve touching banter exchanged on this thread of late:oh: Call me a cynic (I don't need telling;))
The thread will no doubt be idling in the ether somewhere and could return.

TSR2

I read your response to my now gone post the other day. So, to return to the ADF. For the sake of good order, let's remember this is; Airport DEVELOPMENT Fee, not Airport Departure Fee or Airport Departure Tax (the airport cannot afterall levy a tax). In the context of which it was sold to the travelling public (as is clearly stated on BLK's website), I have no problem with the ADF. Ms Kendrick has recently admitted these monies have been used to bolster the airports weak finances and lessen the losses. Now, if it was called an Airport Departure Fee and, the airport clearly stated they could use those funds as they see fit I'd be slightly less agrieved. I think dada offers a valid argument for compensation.

Not wishing to split hairs over the word 'investment' but, IMHO investment would suggest an expectation of return or even profit from that which is invested (you did mention investment, or was that a subsequent poster). Maintenance of the infrastructure could be considered investing in sustaining the future of the airport but it's certainly not DEVELOPMENT. Other than C&M the only investment I've seen in the place are those machines which collect the ADF!

Sadly, the place has suffered years of mismanagement under a succession of owners. It's so easy to blame the 'current economic climate' for failings but, when it comes to battening down the hatches to weather the storm.......Well, the current team don't seem to have the required skillsets.
The techniques of their recent cull say it all!

To ice the cake, ruin the place for your bread & butter GA traffic (of course the butter's spread very thinly these days).

All this may of course be what the current owners desire.

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

p.s. shouldn't this thread be titled BLACKPOOL - 3

I have re-instated and merge the two threads. However, I am not entirely happy that the main thread was deleted by the starter, who has the ability to do so. It is not easy to do it as an oops and care must be taken in future.

And it takes up my time which I can do without. :=

PPP

See, it was just idling in the ether;) No offence to the HAWK

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

Ballymoss
 

From the explanation of the ADF on the airport website,it seems quite clear to me that the income will be used for a number of purposes and as such would obviously 'lessen the losses' if they were not in a profit making situation.

Yes I do realise that the charge is called an Airport DEVELOPMENT Fee. That is what the airport decided to name this charge but the airport did quite clearly define its purpose whatever its name.
From the airport website
Incidentally, you will notice that the word 'investment' initially comes from the airport themselves and not from me.

As they have quite clearly stated the use of the income, and I do not think anyone has evidence of it being used otherwise, I can only assume that anyone who feels cheated by the charge has either misunderstood the defined purpose of the charge or have put their own interpretation to the wording of the title which I agree may be ambiguous.

These are just my thoughts on the matter as I have no involvement with the airport nor have I been relieved of £10 as yet.

Noting that Manx2 is down to three daily flights - what was their peak in the past?

Wish BLK ATC would invest in some proper headsets if they're serious about keeping the place running. A bit of a pain having to turn the vol up all the time to listen to ATC. The occasional controller does have a proper headset, although most don't.

Still...




S.

I was deleting a bunch of very old threads started by me from years ago.
The Blackpool thread-2 was not actually started by me. I was just placed there as the first poster by whoever made the change from Blackpool-1 to Blackpool-2.

It was actually very easy to do by accident. Instead of beratting me, why not ensure your system is more robust?
I can already guess what the reaction and punishment will be for daring to defend myself.

MOSS, sorry, no conspiracy!

Manchester has everything but a beach.......
 

The sorry state of affairs at BLK was entirely predictable. See also the thread on Marginal Airports. Trying to muscle in on the mainstream air passenger market against the likes of MAN was always a long-term loser. MAN has the resources and the volume to pull in traffic from a wide area and to be able to maintain a high standard of infrastructure and capability because it is used by many carriers including those who will pay 'rack' rates. MAN is 90 minutes from Blackpool and 60 minutes from Preston by hourly rail service.

BLK has always been a good GA airfield, something which the northwest of England is in desperately short supply. It can still be a good GA airfield. Perhaps the owners do need to sell off part of the site, maybe shorten a runway and/or close a runway to reduce operating costs and finance the continued operation of a smaller but high quality GA airfield, the sort which you find every few miles in the south east of England. MAN cannot do GA (except bizjets), BLK can. BLK cannot do airline operations, MAN (and LPL)can. A complementary airport/airfield system for the northwest.

VERY WELL Said rover, it has always basically been a ga airport with an odd bit of scheduled (bia, airuk, spacegrand etc)
somebody somewhere has forgotten there roots and tried to be a small big boy. nothing wrong with that but it has been at the expense of bread and butter traffic. shame
soon it'll be neither one thing nort other,

Don't think so dada
roverman seems to live in an age where things don.t move on.
How off topic can you get to have a pop at the airport?.

So Manx2 have cut frequency...I travelled to Lanzarote last May from MAN on a Sunday - Now that flight is no more - you have to fly out with Jet2 on a Thursday in the middle of school holidays...Make little sense..But of course larger airports are suffering the same as smaller airports the only difference is that they have larger resources that smaller regional airports. Blackpool and airports like Exeter are still there despite the deep recession..And if Jet2 had the nouse to INCEASE the frequency from BLK to Tenerife they would fill there a/c - You can't buy a seat for an Easter break from Blackpool to Tenerife because the a.c are full on the return journey.
This makes "rovers" argument look silly IMO.

ernest
do us a favour. cut your arm off and see what it says inside.
is it
1/ i love sue kendrick
2/ i love jet 2
3/ i love you love (my only true love)
i know its sunny, but get the blinkers off, wake up and smell the coffee.
blk is going down the pan. fact

Claws out, Ernest...:yuk:

Well my opinion of Sue kendrick is that although she is not a Northerner -She has the best interest of BLK at heart and does the best she is able. BB run the show, not Sue Kendrick.
That's why I have discovered better deals with Monarch (who I can.t stand) and Easy.

The so called loyalty points from Jet2 which I used to be able to use at peak times...I now find I have to use them outside of school holidays which is no use to me.

Monarch on the other hand on the route I was looking at actually asked the child's age - A pointless exercise as 99 times out of a 100 it's the same price as an adult.Today I found a child price on the Monarch website.
So although I use Jet2 a lot - They are getting greedier by the day.


Just prove your words dada - I can prove that BLK have HIGH load factors on their sunshine routs - They have abandoned the early close, so although beleaguered...How can you say they are going down the pan... dada - Counter my arguments.

How many posts have predicted houses on the BLK site? - How many have been built?. The question is rhetorical because it is NONE.

They are using the ADF to keep afloat - without that when the depressions ends they will be in a better position to develop - using the ADF in such a way is making good business sense and as thus can be said to be aiding future development.

Counter my arguments with facts and then you might sound credible. Like counter the high load factor - Counter the fact the BB are now opening the airport until late or as necessary.

Oh allright ernest....
I WAS WRONG
does it say
i love balfour betty
i love monarch
i love your batty

Still Plenty of time for them Houses.....shall we say,

another 500.

People are gonna lose jobs and livelihoods :D

Thankyou to carnmanorlad for this comment ~ glad someone is living in the real world :ok:
If it were not for the ADF blk would be closed ......so what if its not used for development ~ it keeps the very dedicated staff in employment :ugh:

Just to add ~ I love Jet2 but I love Ryanair MORE - Get that baby back on site for some Gerona / stanstead runs pleeaaasssseee !!! What a stupid mistake that was letting them go :sad:

Traveled through Blackpool Airport for the first time since Christmas using EI Regional to Dublin, when I arrived I was practically the only passenger in the whole terminal! It felt eerily quiet:ugh:

The RE ATR was 50%-60% full both ways, it's hard to remember the glory days when FR was filling 732s on the DUB route.

The resentment by people over the ADF who have easy access to the airport without the use of a car (those who are the least likely to park at the airport) is still there. Many people who once used the Jet2 routes that I know don't anymore. The £10 ADF is also rather more than what other airport schemes charge - it's £5 at NQY for example. :hmm:

I very much doubt BLK will ever get a London link back - with the 2h15ish train to the centre of London available from Preston there just isn't the market demand. Liverpool can't have a London link either because of this, the majority of passengers traveling on the MAN-LON routes with BA/BD are connecting onwards.