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Fairdealfrank 29th October 2014 23:39


Pretty certain this article is meaning Dublin and not Dundee.
Indeed, DND is with LC, on the PSO.

Porrohman 30th October 2014 15:05

Article now says Cologne instead of Dundee.

bad bear 6th November 2014 07:37

2265 passengers for month of September, 22 per flight. 23% down on same month last year.

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virginblue 6th November 2014 08:38

I take that LCY was operated at a higher frequency/another aircraft type? 22 pax and 23 % down mean an average load of 27 pax last years if the route was operated with the same frequency and type (if so, it would mean a 87 % load factor and tell a lot about the cost of the D328 and LCY...)

NickBarnes 6th November 2014 11:32

22 pax or in other words 70% average load factor, is decent figures for the route with its pso remember.

AirportPlanner1 6th November 2014 13:11

The numbers are actually very good, when it is considered that the southbound am/northbound pm are likely to be busier than the reverses.


Also, the average last Sep to LCY was just under 22.8 whereas this year to STN is just over 21.2. So, despite moving to a less 'convenient' airport they have only lost 1.5 pax per flight. Assuming lower operating costs are achieved at STN, at face value this route must be more viable now than previously before receipt of PSO is even taken into account.


What would be interesting to know is how it can be quantified that this service is contributing to economic development in the Dundee area, and whether it providing local taxpayers with value for money.

NickBarnes 17th November 2014 14:16

October stats out, 1940 pax = average of 19 pax per flight for stansted route

VickersVicount 17th November 2014 16:15

Not exactly setting the heather alight... they should be seeing month on month increases if someones doing their job on behalf of the taxpayer...

bad bear 17th December 2014 16:39

November 1701 passengers, wonder if that includes biz jets?

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bad bear 19th January 2015 11:33

December 1572 passengers

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NorthSouth 20th January 2015 10:11


November 1701 passengers, wonder if that includes biz jets?
No it doesn't. All of those were on the Stansted service.

bad bear 19th February 2015 14:59

latest CAA figures suggest1240 passengers for January (down 19% on last Jan), can anyone at the airport comment on whats happening?

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PaulFrank 19th February 2015 16:00

I am not sure about the worth of comparing this January's figures with last years figures, as that time last year the route was to LCY and not STN.

From the other posts it is clear that STN has been less popular than LCY, however the difference in passenger numbers between the two routes seems to have lessened.


...month of September...23% down on same month last year

down 19% on last Jan
As has been said before STN is cheaper to operate to than LCY, and there is a PSO in place. This will help the bottom line of the airline, but then again, who knows if these figures are good or not?

bad bear 19th February 2015 18:10

September had 2265 passengers compared to January's 1240, almost halved in 5 months?

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bad bear 24th February 2015 11:29

City businessman says Dundee?s airport future lies with Edinburgh - Dundee / Local / News / The Courier


“My information is that the actual flights to and from Stansted are always nearly full so the service is receiving public support,”

01475 24th February 2015 13:45


“What Dundee needs is an hourly rail service to Edinburgh in the south and Aberdeen in the north.
Huh? Another opinionated person with little idea of reality...

I do actually agree with him re the flights, though.

PaulFrank 24th February 2015 16:00

Dundee Airport wins backing from former Chamber of Commerce presidents - News / Business / The Courier

:zzz:

bad bear 24th February 2015 17:13


He suggested routes to the major business centres of Manchester and Birmingham, which a spokesman for Flybe franchise partner Loganair played down saying: “We are focused on the current Dundee to Stansted service and have no plans to introduce new routes.”
I bet they are "focused" on the Stansted route with the passenger figures dropping so fast, It about 10 each way on the January stats.

Does the PSO subsidy still leave the airline exposed to losses if the loads are poor?

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Fairdealfrank 24th February 2015 20:34

DND PSO
 
Maybe the route should have remained DND-LCY?

"Land in London, actual London" to quote a carrier's advertising slogan.

CabinCrewe 24th February 2015 21:19

I dont think theres any maybes about this. Its a dead duck...


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